@fairlanefastback

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Quote: Can you point to a post or message where ACK himself is advertising of offering his services ? Offering his services. I read this as such (link below). But I will point out I was responding to AmigaHeretic to illustrate ACK the firm may actually be allowed to for all we know since we don't know if it has paying sponsor status or not. I know BBRV has been warned for linking to his nearly illegible (IMHO) blog at times as a form of advertising, to me this definately was a much more specific attempt at arranging service related business for a transaction for ACK here. But thats why we have you mods, thats your call: http://tinyurl.com/2c8tsn

In your referenced link it appears to me that ACK is responding to a request from terminator3.

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Moxee wrote: @fairlanefastback In your referenced link it appears to me that ACK is responding to a request from terminator3.

Like I said you guys are the mods. I view that as conducting business using the public forum to try to secure another board repair customer and it advertises the firm is still open for business for such type work. I don't remember feeling anything as directly offered by BBRV at the time of his suspension term. Again I'm not advocating such for ACK, I was replying to AmigaHeretic. If the letter of the TOS was not broken I think maybe the spirit of it was, or at least bent. But I have not advocated asking for any bans or suspensions as some others have. I do think it would be nice if AW.net would try to help in some way to sway ACK to offer relief to the board members here who don't have their stuff. But thats a whole other story.

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@fairlanefastback

We are discussing options at the moment.

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@fairlanefastback

Your reply in Post #60 was rather unnecessary - I was simply pointing out tracking numbers aren't available for all levels of postal service.

As for Ack getting those other two boards back to their owners, I completely agree that it should've been done by now(as you may have seen in an earlier post), tracking numbers or not. In my many years of shipping and receiving LOTS of items via the postal system, I've only EVER had one package take an extraordinarily long time to arrive, and that was because it sat at the Customs office for a month(it apparently had actually crossed the border only two days after it was sent). Given that kind of snafu in either of the cases you mentioned, those boards would be arriving any day now..... IF in fact they were ever sent when claimed to have been. Obviously, most, if not all of the folks in this thread, think that's rather unlikely, myself included.....

@fairlanefastback who said Quote:

Some have asked for a ban. I am not one of those people to date.

If there was another option open to AW.net, other than banning, then I might be happy with that. I just think that there should be *some* consequences of ACK's consistently appalling behaviour. Then he might think twice before doing it again, and maybe he will even resolve the existing issues (like actually returning those A1s, repaired or not).

Unlike fairlanefastback, I do not believe ACK is likely to do anything, unless we apply more pressure than "just waiting".

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As long as you seriously consider all the evidence about ACK to date (see my first post in this thread), then I will accept any decisions you make. This is 'your' board after all, not mine.

But I would say (as others have) that it does not seem right that ACK withholds Amiga Ones (and sometime money) "for repair" for up to 3 years, and yet is still allowed to solicit further "repairs". If the TOS allows such activity, then perhaps it should be amended - and then ACK warned that further solicitation will break the TOS?

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@Seer
One further thought on "it's not our job to police the internet" - surely it's still your job to police your own site? Here's a hypothetical situation:

iWin, a confirmed hoaxer, starts posting on the forums/news about their new OS4 Amigas "coming soon".

The question is - would you allow it, if they don't break the TOS?

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@ChrisH

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iWin, a confirmed hoaxer, starts posting on the forums/news about their new OS4 Amigas "coming soon". The question is - would you allow it, if they don't break the TOS?

I do hope they would allow it - it would be pure entertainment and very refreshing in comparison to the lawsuit.
Ryan Czerwinski would be even better...

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@ChrisH

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ChrisH wrote: @fairlanefastback who said Quote: Some have asked for a ban. I am not one of those people to date. If there was another option open to AW.net, other than banning, then I might be happy with that. I just think that there should be *some* consequences of ACK's consistently appalling behaviour. Then he might think twice before doing it again, and maybe he will even resolve the existing issues (like actually returning those A1s, repaired or not). Unlike fairlanefastback, I do not believe ACK is likely to do anything, unless we apply more pressure than "just waiting".

If I may offer an idea. Ackcontrls even had a go at me personally in the last thread. I don't give a $%#. Focus #1 in my mind is satisfaction for our two brothers. This is an opportunity for people to participate in something good and have a feeling of solidarity. Perhaps if all or most of the mods would post support saying that what ACK has done is clearly wrong and that it must rectify the situation for our two fellow AW.net members, along with some of the boards other more casual readers taking the time to post a bit of support it will help ACK more to see that its digging its own hole. Perhaps what is more a Aw.net official CENSURE at this moment rather than a ban? My worry with the ban idea is that ACK will just use it as an excuse to never send anything back. It doesn't exactly seem good at taking personal responsibility for things, rather instead always blaming someone else's actions. Plus frankly if they are truly sincere in wanting to build an Amiga and really are just misguided rather than something more sinister then we do want to somehow in the long run get this firm back into the fold in partnership with the community rather than in opposition to it. Plus let it be obvious to most that the efforts from the community have taken the high road continually. Thats my intial thought anyway.

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I'm not sure I really believe that banning ACK is the right way
forward. If ACK has broken the TOS then it's a black and white
situation; but all rules must be applied fairly.

I think that ACK is unreliable/irresponsible/deluded (delete
as necessary), but it's also true that other people post on AW to
announce their software and point to their web sites.

One would hope that in the ideal world, moderators would pick up on
any TOS breaking behaviour, just like any other poster soliciting
money through improper channels.

Perhaps a blacklist link on the front page could lead to a detailed
explanation of why user XXX is considered dodgy (e.g. something along
the lines of Hatschi's list). Then this could also be applied to other
hoaxers. Another suggestion is an additional feature of an automatic
signature that warns of a user's history of bad faith. In this way ACK
the user would still have access to free speech and a chance to clear
his name if ever he decides to come good.

If ACK disappears from the Amiga world, I for one will miss his
breathtaking optimism (audacity ?) and implausible excuses.
For example,
"As much as I LOATH
pictures I will release pictures of everything" "No later than Tuesday
evening" - June 2006

and

"Any
time there is a significant time lag between an expected release date
and an actual date, it always makes sense to revisit the
product" - May 2006

The second one I really like. I don't know what world ACK does
business on but it never makes sense to do more work on a
product, if you can possibly help it. Perhaps I will print this one
out big and hang it up somewhere next time I'm worried about feature
creep.

@fairlanefastback

Ivan's machine shipped out yesterday via UPS. I've emailed hiim with the UPS tracking # as well. Should get there on Monday.

Adam

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@fairlanefastback

One interesting sidenote, regardless of how one feels about the alliance:
It is simply stunning how Amiga Inc. has seemingly had zero influence over the situation you are discussing.
If I was involved in an alliance, I would realize that how things reflect on a potential partner, reflects back on me.
This serves as yet another example of lack of any business sense on the part of Amiga Inc.

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@ackcontrls

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ackcontrls wrote: @fairlanefastback Ivan's machine shipped out yesterday via UPS. I've emailed hiim with the UPS tracking # as well. Should get there on Monday. Adam

Thank you Adam. Much appreciated. We'll be looking foward to Ivan being able to continue his porting work now. I thank you again sir.

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@ChrisH

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iiWin, a confirmed hoaxer, starts posting on the forums/news about their new OS4 Amigas "coming soon". The question is - would you allow it, if they don't break the TOS?

Well, as long as they don't ask people to pay in advance, I guess it would be ok, since jokes and swindlers usually gets exposed sooner or later.

Here is an example from the past.
This one turned out to be a practical joke.

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tomazkid wrote: @ChrisH Quote: iiWin, a confirmed hoaxer, starts posting on the forums/news about their new OS4 Amigas "coming soon". The question is - would you allow it, if they don't break the TOS? Well, as long as they don't ask people to pay in advance, I guess it would be ok, since jokes and swindlers usually gets exposed sooner or later. Here is an example from the past. This one turned out to be a practical joke.

To be fair though its been admitted that payment was taken and held by ACK for repair both from AmigaAbattoir and Ivan both in advance. ( http://tinyurl.com/2qqzka ) Again I'm not lining up asking for a ban. But if you are setting criteria as such ACK meets your criteria there and in fairness to the request for a ban from Tomas, ChrisH and others, that should be pointed out again given what you are now saying. That said how will you now deal with the request of Tomas and ChrisH? At the least it should be food for thought I think.

And for anyone not following this closely I want to make sure to say that ACK said Ivan's payment will be in the shipment back with his machine. So amends are trying to be made and we have positive movement forward (thanks again to ACK on this). I am making this post because I think its good if this board works out a better gameplan on how to deal with such things in the future.

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Hello,

Without being aware of all the facts, regarding the requested ban of ACK, I believe it is wrong because aw.net is a forum. Only if someone breaks the TOS then he gets ban. If a fellow member has economic issues with another one from aw.net then he should go to the police or some other authority. You can't ban someone because of the way he operates his own business! Otherwise the TOS must be altered.

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Thank you Adam. Much appreciated. We'll be looking foward to Ivan being able to continue his porting work now. I thank you again sir.

Was he paid for the repairing job? Then there's no need for a thank you. Especially when he needs month (and in some cases years!) for his job.

Btw, he said the same crap before some weeks/month too. Let`s wait.

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But even the TOS points out:

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participate in this site, and you participate in it as a privilege, not a right.

The board can certainly step in for community members to tell a vendor they will lose posting rights unless they resolve matters if its is so inclined to do so. Especially when the vendor has verified the circumstances.

I'm not for the idea of a ban but I am for the idea that the board can certainly apply pressure to help its members. I don't buy into the idea that vendor companies should be able to have site membership as a shield. Thats what mucks up having Bill McEwen threads often, with his zero post account.

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DaFreak wrote: @fairlanefastback: Quote: Thank you Adam. Much appreciated. We'll be looking foward to Ivan being able to continue his porting work now. I thank you again sir. Was he paid for the repairing job? Then there's no need for a thank you. Especially when he needs month (and in some cases years!) for his job. Btw, he said the same crap before some weeks/month too. Let`s wait.

I hear you but I insist (for myself) on taking the high road as much as I can. I'm no fool but at the same time I don't want to remain at odds with this company if there is any chance for salvaging things where the community might benefit in the long run. Pressure for Kneedeep's board return I am quite sure will remain in some form and if the new Ivan story is BS it will I am sure be met with great disdain from what will be an ever growing part of the community. The company is claiming a positive step, I am for encouraging it further. Though I certainly agree that there should be no sheer necessity for it.

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