@Hans

AFAIK, E-Motion used HAM.

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@Hans

there was a beautifull german rpg game that used ham for its screens but I can't -yet- remember its name

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Do you mean "Evil's Doom"?
http://hol.abime.net/3953

It's sad that this game never get out - i've waited ages! :(

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¿Do you remember the game Universe? IIRC it used HAM5 to get 256colours on an A500.

Universe had 256 colors on the Amiga 500 but they don't use the HAM Modes, they had developed an own technique called "SPAC Mode"
seen here

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@Hans

"If I did have the time (and access to my A1200), here's what I would do:
- write a library and tool that reads in the truecolour graphics (using datatypes) and generates HAM6/8 format imagery and the additional bitplanes as outlined in my previous posts"

Well, I remember that there was already a way of achieving that - In fact it was a way to display HAM & HAM8 pics on the workbench background and windows, through a Cybergraphics datatype and a screenmode settings hacked...

I don't remember where I got that, but it worked pretty well.
The problem was that no other program was able to set the screen mode to ham (in a manner that it made it aware to the use of the datatype). I remembered having tried that with AWEB back in 2000...

It's been a while, but I remembered going to the portuguese 2nd Mira Amiga Party with such display on WB, and a lot of people already knew that was possible, someone had used themselves...

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@hardwired

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hardwired wrote: @Hans "If I did have the time (and access to my A1200), here's what I would do: - write a library and tool that reads in the truecolour graphics (using datatypes) and generates HAM6/8 format imagery and the additional bitplanes as outlined in my previous posts" Well, I remember that there was already a way of achieving that - In fact it was a way to display HAM & HAM8 pics on the workbench background and windows, through a Cybergraphics datatype and a screenmode settings hacked...

I remember that hack too. However, it won't convert truecolour images to HAM6/HAM8; you needed icons in HAM6/HAM8 (matching your mode) in order to use it. You still need something to convert it. Possibly the datatypes system did the conversion, as it knows which mode the screen it's displaying on is.

Hans

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Probably a few open source ports can use HAM modes, not sure though...

@Hans

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If I'm right about this, a 64-colour game (ignoring copper tricks) would use 7 bitplanes (including the mask), whereas we'll need an extra 5. So you're going to require 12/7 = 1.71 times more bandwidth (16/9 = 1.78 times more for HAM8). However, assuming that most machines now have fastRAM, some of the composition could be offloaded to the CPU, particularly if the CPU is a 68030+. I think that it's feasible.

For a full 64 colour screen you needed AGA and 6 bitplanes. For ECS you could fake a 64 colour screen by using extra-halfbrite mode, a cool invention. It used 6 bitplanes as well IIRC, although the normal max ECS could use was 5-bitplanes at 32 colours, but the upper half and extra 32 colours in the palette were half the colours in the normal palette.

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Slightly off-topic, but out of interest, did anyone ever use HAM7 (if HAM5 is ok, I assume that HAM7 would be too).

I didn't know there was a HAM-5 and HAM-7. All I know of is HAM-6 using 4-bitplanes for 16 colour palette and 2-bitplanes for selecting palette index, red, green or blue components. And AGA HAM8 which uses 2-bitplanes for palette index, red, green or blue components and the other 6-bitplanes for 64 palette colour entries or a 6-bit colour component.

Apart from that AGA could do it in multiple resolutions.

@Hypex

not sure the modes used but i think legend of kyrandia used 64 colors.(definitely not full ham)

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play "Sexanoids1 & 2"! It have nice HAM6-Interlace-Ingame-Graphics and its an arcanoid clone with nice cover girls behind the bricks:


http://www.scienide.de/html/games.htm

Its not wrong to be over 16 years to play that because of the nudity of the girls

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A10 (flight sim) V1.5 I've read used EHB in game and HAM for still pictures.

@Hypex

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Hypex wrote: @Hans Quote: If I'm right about this, a 64-colour game (ignoring copper tricks) would use 7 bitplanes (including the mask), whereas we'll need an extra 5. So you're going to require 12/7 = 1.71 times more bandwidth (16/9 = 1.78 times more for HAM8). However, assuming that most machines now have fastRAM, some of the composition could be offloaded to the CPU, particularly if the CPU is a 68030+. I think that it's feasible. For a full 64 colour screen you needed AGA and 6 bitplanes. For ECS you could fake a 64 colour screen by using extra-halfbrite mode, a cool invention. It used 6 bitplanes as well IIRC, although the normal max ECS could use was 5-bitplanes at 32 colours, but the upper half and extra 32 colours in the palette were half the colours in the normal palette.

The seventh bitplane is for a mask denoting the blitter object shape. Obviously you don't need that for the background, but everything else does.

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Kang Fu is a platformer which uses HAM mode. It requires a lot, but
isnt really a great game ;)

Kang Fu
http://hol.abime.net/2545


Burnout? This is atleast a highres racing deathmatch game. It uses
highres graphics atleast.Looks very great!

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I dont know if Super Stardust is a HAM game, but the graphics are
really spectacular!

Super Stardust for AGA Amigas (Stardust for A500/A600 etc)
http://hol.abime.net/2212

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@All

Another game that used HAM in the overall game, was the game "Cruise For A Corpse". That game used 4096 colored HAM6-mode It was done pretty well too, with the animation in HAM6 mode

I'm impressed that a great numbers of old Amiga games using HAM-mode, used it to the best

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Don't forget OloFight, the HAM8 beat-em'up! I'm not sure if it was ever released, but you can find screenshots on the Aminet:
http://uk.aminet.net/game/demo/OloFight.readme

@AmiDelf2
Super Stardust did not use HAM (as far as I know), but it may well have used 256 colour gfx.

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@ChrisH

There was a game that i've seen only on "The Game Machine" magazine. It was a platform game in 4096 colours, but i don't remember the name of this game.

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Maybe I'm wrong but didn't Big Red Adventure use high resolution HAM graphics?

I remember playing the cover disk version years ago and being very impressed with the resolution... Having being reminded I now really want this game

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