@stevieu

Have you tried playing videos with OS4 AMP2? It may give better results than DvPlayer.

You could try to use a 16bit screenmode instead of a 24bit one. I don't know how much ram the 24bit screenmode will eat, but that's between 3.7MB and 5MB (I don't know if the driver uses 3bytes -that's slow- or 4bytes -that's faster but eats more ram- per pixel)... probably too much for the old Permedia2 if you add window textures and other stuff. Using a 16bit screenmode you will only eat 2.5MB so you'll have plenty of gfx memory available for textures and other stuff. You'll also gain more bandwitch to the gfx memory.

If you open the drawer Prefs/Presets you'll find simple skins like the ones used in OS3.x that will eat less ram.

Your MPEGs are being played from IDE HD or from SCSI HD or ram disk? Perhaps you could try to use bigger HD blocks (2KB or 4KB would be sensible values), add more buffers (that's vital if you use big partitions) and use SFS instead of FFS.

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Has any Classic users tested any demos yet how they perform on OS4 like f.ex. TBL StarStruck or do they work at all ?

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@Crumb

Hello Crumb I haven't yet, no. BUT, it is the same problem as I had with AMP playing videos under P96 on OS3.9. Laggy video and stuttering sound. In comparison, I was using a 24bit screenmode with CyberGraphX and my BVision (overlay was disabled) and it played absolutely fine (in window and full-screen mode).

I know this isn't exactly tied to OS4, but it seems a bit strange, as it comes from either P96 or Voodoo drivers, I assume. I was using known-to-work Elbox drivers under OS3.9, so am just trying to tie things together.

All in all: I had CyberGraphX and a BVision setup with OS3.9 - everything was smoooooth. Menus were like lightning, as was everything else, it seemed. Unless I've been smoking something dodgy haha.

I installed P96 on my Mediator/Voodoo3-3000 OS3.9 setup and I noticed the difference between the two... lagging menus, opening of windows, refreshing icons, resizing, playing videos under P96. All the settings seemed to mirror those of CyberGraphX and now I'm experiencing those slow-downs in OS4, also. Unless I'm going mad that is... but I know things could and have been more responsive.

Steve

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@Crumb

Didn't know that exisited, works very well.
Cheers.

Can't get DVplayer to show a picture although I do hear sound.
Will have to look into it as I liked Stephen Fellners work under 3.9 and was expecting good things under 4.0.

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@TiredofLife

Well you need to turn off overlay, think you find that option in the menu.

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Already tried that, no joy.

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@Rogue

Cheers. I have simplified the menus, and things do appear quicker now. Window moving/resizing seems to be quicker right now, too. Unless I'm having random problems.

Still having problems playing basic MPEG streams though (full screen or in window mode, regardless of sound quality selected). Stuttering sound and jumping images. I had no problem with AMP for OS3.9 (I could scroll constantly through menus while an MPEG stream was playing and it would be fine. It stutters with no further activity now. *thinks*

Will be great to get that bug sorted. I can have a proper fiddle around then

Steve

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@stevieu

Have you tried using Cybergrafx with OS4 ?

maybe worth a try ??


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@Amigaz

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Do I have to register somehow to obtain that hotfix?

Hyperion Homepage

The Classic version should come with a serial number for that purpose.

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@stevieu

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I installed P96 on my Mediator/Voodoo3-3000 OS3.9 setup and I noticed the difference between the two...

I can't say I have ever noticed Picasso96 to be slower than CyberGraphX. It might be the A1200, but I always found that Picasso96 was the same speed.

What might be is that CyberGraphX configures the Voodoo a bit more agressive, i.e. with higher memory/core clock etc.

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@Rogue

It 's quite strange... I used my BVision with CyberGraphX and my Voodoo3 with P96, but comparing the two, the BVision/CyberGraphX combination won hands down. (OS3.9). Unless I had been using the incorrect Voodoo drivers, but I don't think so.

The Voodoo/P96 combination seemed generally more sluggish (opening windows, displaying icons, opening more complex menus - generally felt a bit flakey), whereas the BVision/CGFX, felt fluid. I don't know. Maybe I'm stuck in my ways

I have no idea what is slowing down video playback in OS4 though, considering I played the same videos fine under OS3.9 with the same application at the same resolution, etc. The only difference being, it was under CyberGraphX and using the BVision. Drivers, maybe?

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@stevieu

Not that I own a Mediator, but I would guess that the performance difference has nothing to do with P96 or CGFX, but all to do with the bus you have the gfx board attached to. And as it seems from your experience, accessing the BVision is faster than accessing the Voodoo through the Mediator.

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Rogue wrote: @Amigaz Quote: Do I have to register somehow to obtain that hotfix? Hyperion Homepage The Classic version should come with a serial number for that purpose.

Just regged it for my A1200, my eyes didn't notice the serial no. on the paper sleeve

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@stevieu

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The Voodoo/P96 combination seemed generally more sluggish (opening windows, displaying icons, opening more complex menus - generally felt a bit flakey), whereas the BVision/CGFX, felt fluid. I don't know. Maybe I'm stuck in my ways

You shouldn't compare this. The Voodoo/Mediator combination isn't using a linear framebuffer. There is always the window switching involved, which goes via an exception handler. The BVision doesn't need that, plus it is connected directly to the BlizzardPPC, with a MUCH faster bus.

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AmigaOS 4... is installed! Mostly!

Of course I had a nightmare getting it to work and even at the moment it doesn't boot correctly. However, the usual weak link in the chain was what was at play here - i.e. the user. Clever old me forgot completely that trying to boot off a partition outside the initial 2Gig is not a good idea... so I reckon it'll be fine.

However, the one problem I am having is complete lock-ups. I have on my CS-PPC:

Active Terminator -> CS-PPC -> Fujitsu UWSCSI -> Micropolis UWSCSI (Term + TermPower)

Installing OS 4 the first time got to 60% copying files - solid lock up. Second attempt, got to about 40%. Solid lock-up. Remove one of the CD-ROM drives off the 4000's IDE bus, still locked up. Removed the heatsink on my PPC - there's no thermal paste!!! - apply Artic Silver 5, try again. Lock up. Removed Micropolis - it installed! Re-attach Micropolis, still boots (though I have to boot off the floppy - but that's because I'm dumb and used the wrong partition). Copy files to partition in the first 2Gig, complete lock-up - even though it's not using the Micropolis.

Now, I've been using this set-up for years without a problem. No lock-ups or anything. Is there any reason why this should be happening? It just seems to be HD access that's doing it, but removing the Micropolis does seem to help. I need to check more thoroughly though.

Anyway, that's my experiences, but I don't think they're OS 4 problems really, probably something not 100% right which OS3.9 could tolerate.

The real purpose of this is to utterly commend Hyperion on what they've done. My Amiga is far from standard - and yet it booted and installed beautifully using my Prometheus PCI Voodoo III. Getting an installer that can take an odd system like this and install a working copy of the OS is no mean feat and my hat's off to the Hyperion guys for getting such a well written installer working.

Oh - one little thing - the # key doesn't work - that should be tidied up (luckily I saw the post earlier about this).
Another tiny point - creating an internet connection listed lots of SANA-II devices, including RTL-8029.device. I tried to use that and it didn't work. However, clicking on the filename I found RTL8029.device (no hyphen) in the DEVS:Networks/, which the installer had correctly copied. It was just a bit silly having all those devices listed and not the one that the installer had actually copied.

And incidentally why can't it read my PFS hard disk partitions? The FS is on the RDB because OS 3.9 can boot and use them fine. They just come up as unreadable.

First impressions - it's fast! Window dragging delays somewhat but then I'm used to an 800MHz G4!

I also tried PC-Task (I'm a masochist) and it worked!! Anyone who's tried this on an AmigaOne knows that it summons the Grim Reaper PDQ on an A1, but it worked first time! This bodes well for compatibility....

Now I just want to go home and play some more...!

@Spirantho

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Active Terminator -> CS-PPC -> Fujitsu UWSCSI -> Micropolis UWSCSI (Term + TermPower)

I'm not the SCSI expert, but I was under the impression that you should not rely on the termination of devices but rather use an active terminator on both ends instead.

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That was one of the major issues with the Classic version - there are so many different setups, it really gave me headaches to come up with a CD that works on a sufficiently large setup. Also, we didn't want to require a pre-installed system, this CD was supposed to be booted stand-alone, with a blank, unformatted harddisk.

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Another tiny point - creating an internet connection listed lots of SANA-II devices, including RTL-8029.device. I tried to use that and it didn't work. However, clicking on the filename I found RTL8029.device (no hyphen) in the DEVS:Networks/, which the installer had correctly copied. It was just a bit silly having all those devices listed and not the one that the installer had actually copied.

Yeah, the problem with the rtl8029 was that it was a last minute addition.

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Now I just want to go home and play some more...!

Glad you like it

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@Rogue

Incidentally, while you're here... :)

My Prometheus doesn't have the DMA upgraded flashROM, as I didn't see the point given OS4 can't DMA from PCI to main memory anyway. I presume I'm right in thinking that I'd need to get it reflashed if I wanted to DMA to graphics memory, let's say... ooh, maybe a TV card? :)

Is that correct? No DMA->GFX memory without reflashing the Prometheus?

Thanks again for some great work!

@Spirantho

DMA does not work on Prometheus. It's not OS4 the one who can't do DMA from PCI to main memory, it's the crap design from manofacturers that don't produce cards that do real DMA to motherboard.

To get DMA between PCI cards you will need Michael Boehmer's update, that unfortunately won't be released until Deneb is released.

I simply can't understand why people prefer to use hacky 68k drivers instead of native PPC ones that work faster and with less bugs.

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@stevieu

It's not strange. BlizzardVision has a fast bus that could transfer 20MB/s without problems but Mediator is much slower than that. Since playing videos involves using the full bus bandwitch a Mediator will always be slower than a BlizzardVision, no matter if you use CGX or P96, it's a simple copy operation.

Set the memory window of your mediator to 8MB and use the native OS4 drivers.

If Elbox had released a 060/PPC accelerator with PCI instead of selling add-ons that can't do real DMA and that just have a slow PCI bus you would have smooth video playback.

With Voodoo3+RTL8029 you will solve most of your problems. But videos won't play smooth due to the slow mediator bus.

You could use overlay with YUV modes to gain some speed, but it won't do miracles.

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