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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 28-Sep-2009 4:33:52
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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
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I agree that the screenmode prefs could use an update. Ideally the main window would only list the resolutions, and you could choose the number of colours and refresh rate elsewhere.

mmm... actually I wasn't even thinking about this... and I'm not sure I'd like it to be that way. But, yes, there's lot of room for improvement in the Screenmode preferences.

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However, getting the screenmodes via DDC is a much needed feature,

Fully agreed.

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and has nothing to do with deciding things for the user.

Sure. I just wanted to be reassured about it

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Far from it, it gives the user a much better idea of what the monitor is capable of; expecting the user to read the monitor's manual and enter the numbers into the tooltypes was archaic on user unfriendly.

Agreed again.

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Don't worry, it can be disabled if you wish, and you can still add your own modes.

Yes, eventually Lecta explained me how the new preferences work - I guess it would be nice to let everybody know (at the moment I don't have the time).

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 28-Sep-2009 10:28:58
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@all

Thanks to all for the news from Pianeta Verry interesting thread I have just read to know some fresh news about AOS4.1 final and new softwares

Hope usb1.0 has been fixed and hope we could use usb2.0 (at least for sending feedback when testing for helping the author).

Hope gnash will be integrated to Ibrowse because Ibrowse have allready the Netscape API and run well on PPC amigas.

hum, I really would like to test blender on aos4 !!!!

NOTE: mak morphOS and AOS4 developper working together for making programs on all platforms at the same time. Thanks to jahc for allready making this politic

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 28-Sep-2009 11:05:30
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- new shell: finally AmigaOS 4 has a shell with multiple tab support, scrollbars and buffers, history and completion all at once.


Only with that you made my day : multiple tab support. scrollbars and other things are cherry on the cake.

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- new WBStartup handling. You don't need to copy the programs in a different dir anymore, you add them to a list in a (new) separate prefs program, and you can keep just one copy. This means less hassle when updating commodities, you don't risk to have the WBStartup "out of sync"... The loading of the commodities at startup is accompanied by the display of their icon on a bar in the middle of the screen, like in many other OSes.

This I'm already using Rigo's StartupManager from OS4Depot and I must say that even if I was a bit doubtful at first I'm now converted. One little thing still annoys me currently it's the bar that is displayed to show loading : because I have compositing activated on my A1 it's displayed in semi transparent mode which make it a bit ugly, either forcing it to be opaque (or adding an option to do it in case one don't want it) either make it the activated window.

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 28-Sep-2009 11:11:55
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@saimo

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@Hans

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I agree that the screenmode prefs could use an update. Ideally the main window would only list the resolutions, and you could choose the number of colours and refresh rate elsewhere.

mmm... actually I wasn't even thinking about this... and I'm not sure I'd like it to be that way. But, yes, there's lot of room for improvement in the Screenmode preferences.

Rereading what I wrote, I can see that it's not what I meant to say. When I said main window, I actually meant that the main area (i.e., the list-view) in the screenmode prefs window, not that the other options would appear in separate windows. Poor choice of words on my part.

So the GUI would have a large listview gadget containing the resolutions, and smaller gadgets for selecting the number of colours and the refresh rate. This is the most concise method of presenting all available options. It also presents the various options in order of importance; the resolution gadget takes up the most space and is the first thing that is seen, followed by the number of colours, and finally the refresh rate, which people often don't care about.

Hans

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 28-Sep-2009 12:00:04
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Hans wrote:
Rereading what I wrote, I can see that it's not what I meant to say. When I said main window, I actually meant that the main area (i.e., the list-view) in the screenmode prefs window, not that the other options would appear in separate windows. Poor choice of words on my part.

So the GUI would have a large listview gadget containing the resolutions, and smaller gadgets for selecting the number of colours and the refresh rate. This is the most concise method of presenting all available options. It also presents the various options in order of importance; the resolution gadget takes up the most space and is the first thing that is seen, followed by the number of colours, and finally the refresh rate, which people often don't care about.

Ah, great then! It was about time that we got rid of the duplicate information. Now the GUI must be really more logical and compact. I'm happy. Thanks to whoever took the time to do that
Now, what about simplifying/reorganizing the preferences programs (it's especially important to separate functionality from look in the GUI preferences and grouping together related stuff from the various programs)?

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 28-Sep-2009 12:07:18
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he he, think i know way your not impressed.


hehe, no it's not that I'm unimpressed with the improvements.
All improvements are very welcome.

I was just curious as I'd heard somebody had clips that weren't recognised by Mplayer.
Haven't got any like that myself so no problems here.

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
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@Seiya

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AROS OWB with swfdec will have enough power to see all site and animation very smooth :)


Well, depends. At the moment, AROS OWB is quite slower on a fast PC than MorphOS OWB on a Pegasos (in particular scrolling), because of some implementation details.
The same could be said about MPlayer, for instance, due to gfx drivers in AROS that add a big overhead in blitting.

And of course, AROS OWB doesn't support plugins, ATM.

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
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I suppose it is the PCB of the future NAS announced by ACube before the week-end. One of the previous post in this thread talks about it (board with a PPC 460 and a mini-PCI slot, but not targetting the Amiga market).

Then who cares.. Dont even see the point in showing it off at some amiga show if it wont even run AmigaOS.

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 28-Sep-2009 14:38:30
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@Seiya

You made nice videos with all those added graphics ! (And they were released really fast.)

@Tuxedo & guruman + anybody else

Thanks, your reports too !

@all

Nice to know there's some progress.

Last edited by Tomppeli on 28-Sep-2009 at 02:39 PM.

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 28-Sep-2009 16:44:47
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@Fab

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The same could be said about MPlayer, for instance, due to gfx drivers in AROS that add a big overhead in blitting.


Which blit functions? If you mean functions like WritePixelArray() then those get faster by RUNing SYS:Tests/patchrgbconv.


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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 28-Sep-2009 17:48:56
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I think you'll find it has :)


If there was ever a reason to call out the dancing 'nanas, this is it!



I'll have to find something else to complain about now

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 28-Sep-2009 18:11:33
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Hope gnash will be integrated to Ibrowse because Ibrowse have allready the Netscape API and run well on PPC amigas.


I hope in OWB integration! We need CSS!

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 28-Sep-2009 18:56:10
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@Seiya

Thanks for a great movie. I had a great weekend and the show was great fun, not the numbers of visitors I am used to but worth visiting and seeing the old enthusiasm again. Hope to see more next year.

Cannot believe I spent all day chatting and missed the GNash demo.

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 28-Sep-2009 19:08:00
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@ikir

No plugins are possible in current OS4 version of OWB.

IBrowse could probably use it but the Gnash license collides with Ibrowse being closed source.

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Mrodfr 
Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 28-Sep-2009 19:17:17
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@ikir

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I hope in OWB integration! We need CSS!


On Ibrowse for the API integration allready and Ibrowse work well on SAM also.

That mean AFXgroup could work allready than wait after OWB (without releases since lots of weeks now) ???

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 28-Sep-2009 23:32:17
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swfdec plugin for OWB MorphOS plays dailymotion, youtube, guba and quite a few other portals you can see on google video site. The speed is another matter, though...
Googlevideo is quite close to real time, dailymotion slower, and youtube even slower. :)



I assume that is on a G4 PegII? So, on a Mac Mini 1.5GHz (that sits here beside my Peg and waits for the blue pill...) current version should be fast enough - but I am confident you will solve opimization things (but I don't expect to run youtube fluently on my Efika).

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
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@Georg

I had written a small program that i tested on MorphOS/Pegasos2 and on a AROS/ 3GHz PC with the help of Nikos (native version, with an accelerated driver, and even tried with this patchrgbconv). It resulted that the PC was quite slower than MorphOS to blit a 720p 32bits surface with WritePixelArray(). Note that anyway, for a good performance, WPA isn't really the way to go, but still.

In the end, it means the PC actually decoded a H264 720p stream 3times faster than it blitted it. And in practice, the Pegasos with MorphOS actually played that movie a bit faster (with overlay, of course). Completely absurd. :)

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I assume that is on a G4 PegII? So, on a Mac Mini 1.5GHz (that sits here beside my Peg and waits for the blue pill...) current version should be fast enough - but I am confident you will solve opimization things (but I don't expect to run youtube fluently on my Efika).


Yes, it was a G4 Pegasos 2. But even a Mac mini will be too slow for some flash scripts (including some video portals). And while there is way to optimize swfdec, it's certainly far from trivial and i don't expect it to be done that soon.

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Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
Posted on 29-Sep-2009 4:58:22
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Thankyou all for your contributions to this thread.

Special thanks to

Seiya for the video reports
guruman for the written report
number6 for consolidating all the info in the same thread.

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Troels 
Re: Pianeta Amiga - September 26, 2009
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The video reports was really a luxury but thanks for the other reports as well.

For some people they might seem minor but I really look forward to the mentioned improvements to OS4, and remember we haven't even heard about the "most ambitious project" yet.

I think we have a lot of good stuff coming our way

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