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Re: OS4 roadmap (from AmiWest & Pianeta Amiga)
Posted on 5-Nov-2009 10:19:32
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I think a bare A4000 idle at around 40-50 watt, IIRC a bare A2000 was 50 watt.

If you load it with Mediator and PPC card you can be sure your A4000 is idle at 110 watt, which is quite a lot IMHO.

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@polka. Quote:
Why switch? Most OS4/MorphOS-users already use Windows/OSX/Linux besides their OS4/MorphOS computer.

I already answered that in the post you replied to: I'm not interested in a dead-end OS, no matter how nice it is to use.

And yes, I do use a Windows PC too, and in fact have a KVM switch so that I can switch between them both quickly & seamlessly. But that's not the point - I don't want to put effort into an OS that is definitely going nowhere.

@Leo Quote:
OS4 can't even run a week without crashing, any application can bring it down,

And same for MorphOS of course. Not that what you said seems to bear any relation to what I said!

(BTW, on OS4 I do the same that I did with OS3.x, I find apps that are well-written, and avoid the unstable crashy ones. That's the way AmigaOS has always been, and maybe the way it always will be, so it's not exactly a shock revelation!)

@persia Quote:
No, simply realise that what you have isn't going to ever replace a Linux/OSX/Windows box for 99.999% of people.

And did I ever say it would??? What I *did* say was that I wanted an OS that had a future, and that simply means *enough* users to make it financially viable. You can of course disagree with me that this is possible, but that is then the end of the argument, and you can go back to your Windows7/MacOSX/Linux PC box.

BTW, one imagines you think OS4 hardware will always cost as much as it does now? OTOH, I think that success could lead to cheaper prices eventually. Of course, with such a negative attitude, you don't believe any sort of success can ever happen...

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@Leo Quote:
GUI looks like it comes from DPaint

And I could say some equally insulting things about MOS's default look, but I don't. You might like to think about that.

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>IMHO Hyperion (and maybe MorphOS) are trying to rebuild an Amiga market. Takes >a long time & a lot of effort, and one cannot be sure it will succeed. But if I didn't >think they stood some sort of chance, I wouldn't be here... (Not interested in a dead->end OS with no future, no matter how nice it may be to use.)

here i fear that maybe suddenly devs loose hope that OS4 grow, and leave it.

But the devs that do it for fun because AOS coding is nicer than windows or Linux, maybe stay longer over the years.

What happen when OS4 market have same size as now in 2 years ?.Have you still hope OS4 can grow ?

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What happen when OS4 market have same size as now in 2 years ?

I very much doubt that will be the case. I expect it to be larger, simply because OS4 has hardware available to run it. How much larger? I wouldn't care to guess!

OS4 seems to have good news at the moment, as does MOS, as does AROS. Even OS3 has some good news with Natami making progress. Maybe hoping a bit much, but perhaps they can ALL grow?

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@ChrisH
As another member stated, hyperion can make 130.000 euro by selling 1000 copies and 260.000 euros by selling 2000 copies (and so on) they don't need to sell who know what numbers to keep on going.

They also know pretty well what kind of market they are into, so no worries at all...

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And same for MorphOS of course. Not that what you said seems to bear any relation to what I said!

Of course, same thing about MorphOS altough I consider it a lot more stable than OS4, it won't come anywhere near a full memory protected OS.

@Portable: you can dislike MorphOS'default look, but you can't deny it looks more polished/professional than OS4 reaction.

Original reaction GUI is based on GadTools, which was last designed for OS3.1 and 640x200 4 colours display. There's no way you can take that, add antialias here and there, and make it appear polished in the middle of truecolour window borders... And you can't make that modern in 2010 either...

MorphOS default GUI is fully redesigned.

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@Leo

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Original reaction GUI is based on GadTools...


Well, no, actually it isn't. It is based on Intuitions BOOPSI features, just like MUI.

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@rigo: I'm not talking about it on a technical point of view, but rather on an aspect/look point of view: Reaction's default UI is based on GadTools old stuff...

Look at MorphOs'default look and tell me it's the same...

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@Leo

I fail to see how a redesign by definition makes it better. The default look in MorphOS is ugly, the fact that it is redesigned doesn't change that fact one bit. It most certainly do not look professional. Whenever I see a screenshot of MorphOs I get the feeling that the designer is most likely a geeky programmer who knows nothing about user interface design.

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@Leo
We already had this discussion and what came out? That beauty lies in the eye of the beholder (with people using OS1.3 theme in morphOS and liking it way better than the default look!).

Even my ex-atarian cousin (we visited Pianeta Amiga together) was extremely pleased by OS4.1.1 look (with those new icons, drop shadows and transparency all over the place).

Some might say it is too baroque, but I loved it too (Morph looked less exciting but it could have been those old CRT monitors not doing it much justice who knows...).

In the end, I learned not to talk in absolute terms about "looks" at is extremely subjective...

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@rigo

>Well, no, actually it isn't. It is based on Intuitions BOOPSI features, just like MUI.

MUI use no intuition boopsi as Reaction Stormwizard do.
It have a own class list and Management, thats the reason wy its possible to run MUI and zune together on AFA.

MUI is more developer friendly, maybe thats reason because there are more classes out.

MUI do not render in input device task, have no Lockibase lock and so it can not cause deadlocks or what else happen when a reaction class do a illegal read memory access and the grim reaper want show or stop input device.

so its possible to single step in debugger a MUI class Draw method to find Bugs and system is still alive.

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DAX wrote:
@ChrisH
As another member stated, hyperion can make 130.000 euro by selling 1000 copies and 260.000 euros by selling 2000 copies (and so on) they don't need to sell who know what numbers to keep on going.

They also know pretty well what kind of market they are into, so no worries at all...


Some strong advise:
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@DAX : It's not subjective Apple's GUI is polished and clean.

It's subjective you like it or not though.

It's not subjective OS4's default GUI looks like old, outdated, and doesn't fit in today's truecolors environment...

It's subjective you like it or not...

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Leo & Kronos, my two Hyperion loving friends...

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It's not about Hyperion, it's about OS4's default look... MorphOS'default look would be the same I'd say the same thing... Windows, Linux, MacOSX, whatever would look the same, I'd say the same thing...

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@DAX

Huh ?

Nothing to do with Hyperion, OS4 or Amiga at all, just with you lack of understanding that:

retail-price * numbers sold != profit (not even close)

But don't worry people burning as fast&hot as you useally don't last long enough to see themselves prooven wrong by reality

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@Kronos @Leo
I believe that in the past years you dwelled too much on the thought Hyperion would loose the case in court and disappear with the tail between their leg, while Amiga Inc was free to finish their job of erasing the official AmigaOS from the face of thre earth (leaving the road clean for other implementations you seem to favor) and I know you now feel like babies to whom they stole one of their favorite toy...the real problem is that in the coming years you will lose many more toys (ie:Toys=your favorite arguments).

I would prefer to talk about actual and future (positive) developments instead. My guess is that when the new releases of AmigaOS and new HW will become a reality, naysayers that have made of badmouthing Amiga OS their "ONLY" actual hobby, will disappear way sooner than me... .

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@Dax: has the case court anything to do with the GUI ?

I don't think so...

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@Leo
It has to do with the fact that you seem to (totally on purpose) forget that AmigaOS is a work in progress and in active development.
As such its improving and AmigaOS users are exited about it.

If you don't like it (looks/features, whatever) why do you care to participate in AmigaOS4 threads all the time? (look how this thread is named, "OS4 roadmap" why bother?).

That is, unless you (and a few others) made a hobby out of it (which I think is the case).

P.S.
AmigaOS users like the look of it (and dislike what you call more "professional") so again don't bother, they will not change their minds anytime soon...


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