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Leo 
Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
Posted on 15-Dec-2009 22:29:14
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Amiga inc is no longer the owner of Amiga OS they are the owners of "The Software" which is OS3.1.
However they cannot sell it nor make similar products

They own it OS3.1 (call it like you want, I really don't care about the name) but cannot sell it: how stupid do you think it sounds ?

Seriously... These guys ####ed it up. Anyone uncompetent, without any management skills, no idea of computing/it, no idea of the Amiga, but with good intentions would have done better.

It couldn't have been worst...

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
Posted on 15-Dec-2009 22:50:51
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computing/it


Management, computing, and information technology are three separate disciplines. Most organizations combine the three, often to their detriment. No idea how Amiga, Inc. organized things, but I agree. Vision, even of the Bill Gates/Steve Jobs sort, is fairly useless without a competent team of individuals to help realize it. Amiga, Inc. found a decent team of implementers (hello, Hyperion), obviously, but management lost site of the vision somewhere along the way.

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
Posted on 15-Dec-2009 22:57:26
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@Trev

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but management lost site of the vision somewhere along the way.


I think when Amiga Inc. sued its own management, that was probably all we needed to know. (AI vs Garry Hare)

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
Posted on 16-Dec-2009 6:26:53
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@Trev

There is already an effort to get Kickstart replacement: http://www.power2people.org/bounty_005.html

It is only matter of time when it materializes.

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
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I think when Amiga Inc. sued its own management, that was probably all we needed to know. (AI vs Garry Hare)


Funny thing is that it was under Garry Hare's watch that things were actually going as they should. OS4 pre-release became available, people started getting their T-shirts and OS4 was ported to IBM's PPC 405 PDA reference design.

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There is already an effort to get Kickstart replacement


Jens Schoenfeld also mentioned something about a basic ROM that was enough to boot games.

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
Posted on 16-Dec-2009 8:21:16
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blahblahblah+popcorn

So what.
I just want a preset AmigaSys EUAE + AOS&kickstart 3.1 in the AOS4.1.1 update.

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Leo 
Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
Posted on 16-Dec-2009 8:24:10
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It is only matter of time when it materializes.

A matter of time ? It's at least been 5-10 years since I heard about kickstart replacement... Still, there is nothing yet.

UAE isn't usable without a true kickstart 1.3.

It should have been released for free since years.

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
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@Leo
We'll call it "KikstartZilla"

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
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So what I hear you saying and basically what it all boils down to is this:


Woa, I am amazed in what you can read into something completely unrelated.

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That is correct. In real life there are incidents where an employee file a case against their employer but it is only done to protect employer from competitors. Hence my doubt.


I say again, just because I don't hate Hyperion doesn't make this "not a real" case. It was, and based on real concerns that we lose the work of several years.

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
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but is the roadmap stil that amigaDE is to be intergrated in os 4.x or is the cold air betwin hyperion and amiga inc dominant


It never was, from what I remember. I think it was mentioned several times, and I remember Garry Hare saying something in the direction of "Hyperion are free to do this", but that was a hypothetical option and never really on the table.

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
Posted on 16-Dec-2009 10:02:52
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@Lou

As I see it, we have new "parent" company.

@Amiga.Inc and Hyperion

Congratulations to the agreement!

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
Posted on 16-Dec-2009 14:35:53
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So you think there is no financial reimbursement to AI for Hyperion's use of AI's IP and trademarks now or with future sales?


Lets bear in mind that AI did seem to go insolvent and that Hyperion had opened up trademark disputes with the U.S. government. Settling lets them not have to worry about losing trademarks all together, thats a win for AI. Not having to pay damages to Hyperion is a win for AI, not having to pay Hyperion's lawyer fee in whole or part, another win for AI. Especially with AI's main benefactor dead they may have started to run out of cash for lawyers. And lets not forget that AI first presented the wrong contract to the court, other documents were redacted, another had the same man signing three times for all three entities in a contract. They may not want to have had their business further delved into as well.

Again, IANAL, but if financial reimbursement was a term of the settlement its supposed to be listed in the agreement, even if the amount is not disclosed.

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Actually what I wanted is what AI and Hyperion agreed to, to stop bashing each other. It makes no financial sense for either to continue and having this apart of the agreement, one would hope the web would also begin to tone down or eliminate the cross bashing being done as well.


So you won't post anti-Hyperion stuff on here or Moo anymore? Cool.

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
Posted on 16-Dec-2009 21:19:21
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It never was, from what I remember. I think it was mentioned several times, and I remember Garry Hare saying something in the direction of "Hyperion are free to do this"


Absolutely, and it was most notably stated to the general public in a clarification after an irc conference here in 2005:

Quote:
5. Will AmigaAnywhere be on OS 4.0, when, who pays?

Quote:
We hope 1.5 and future versions will be. It makes sense to me. Remember, we released 1.5 last week. Hyperion is pretty busy getting 4.0 to all of you. If Hyperion wants it, it will be there. And we do the work. We pay and do the work for all AA enabled devices and to be honest we have a minimum installed threshold before proceeding. This minimum does not apply to AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4.0. It may make sense to wait for next version.


Source: Follow-up from Garry Hare

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
Posted on 17-Dec-2009 15:50:46
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Some folks are trying to pretend there is more to this agreement than is on paper with the court. Dammy (or someone claiming to be him) is now taking the tact that AI probably owns shares in the new CVBA Hyperion formed when changing from a VOF. Can you dispel this rumor?

http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/167235.shtml

Last edited by fairlanefastback on 17-Dec-2009 at 03:50 PM.

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
Posted on 17-Dec-2009 16:20:49
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@itix

Amiga Inc own Amiga OS 3.1 (and all Classic Amiga OS) and have effectively signed a document forbidding them to profit from this ownership. The best thing they can do is open source classic AmigaOS. Everybody wins if they do.

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
Posted on 17-Dec-2009 16:31:15
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fairlanefastback!!! for the good of Santa and his Elves ... can you refrain to point to that ####ing site? aren't you supposed to be a "moderator" .... please


edit- oops just got the right plural of elf

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
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@Framiga
Yeah, who cares who owns Hyperion VOF? Maybe there was a stock offer, maybe there wasn't, but in the long term scheme of things if there were such a deal and if it aided in settling the dispute, it would be classified as a "very good thing indeed."

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
Posted on 17-Dec-2009 16:56:28
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@fairlanefastback

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fairlanefastback wrote:
@HyperionMP

Some folks are trying to pretend there is more to this agreement than is on paper with the court. Dammy (or someone claiming to be him) is now taking the tact that AI probably owns shares in the new CVBA Hyperion formed when changing from a VOF. Can you dispel this rumor?

http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/167235.shtml



lol, mate, that's Moo. Do you expect to get an answer for some rumor spread?

Btw, I heard that Helgis has left the earth, http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/167180

care to comment?

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
Posted on 17-Dec-2009 17:28:42
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@persia

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The best thing they can do is open source classic AmigaOS. Everybody wins if they do.

1) Amiga Inc does linens out AmigaOS3.x and rom’s to Colanto, if they did open source it they will lose that money.

2) MorphOS team and AROS team has written there operating systems from scratch, replaced everything, so there is nothing to gain from open sourcing it, because the old program code is in 680x0 assembler code, BCPL and mixture of different C dialects, makes original code hard to work whit.

So the only once that like to have this is a few diehards for their ROM replacement for their classic Amiga’s.

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Re: Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com
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@Cool_amigaN
LOL, that alternative explanation for the Norway lights show was funny, but I thought better about quoting it here, since it might technically be against the TOS in some strange alternate universe (which we sometimes seem to inhabit).

Last edited by ChrisH on 17-Dec-2009 at 05:32 PM.

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