@bernd_afa

Rosetta on Mac OS X works exactly the same as Petunia on the Amiga Os or Trance on MorphOS.
It is userland program that can only intercept and emulate userland code.

If the Aros had SMP and MP would not be a problem.
But AROS is neither compatible nor a modern operating system.

I tried Janus UAE. It's still uae. This is not the same as the Amiga OS and MorphOS.

The lack of compatibility, AROS is not as tested as it should be.
Thousand members MorphOS Amiga OS and ensures that if someone did
something wrong somewhere, it will be noticed and corrected.
I can be sure that the software running on Amiga OS 3 to MorphOS and Amiga OS 4 will operate the same way.
I need not treating my source code.

@phase5fan
>Rosetta on Mac OS X works exactly the same as Petunia on the Amiga Os or >
>Trance on MorphOS.

I read about rosette, you are right rosetta is not as good as older Mac emulations and rosetta have Limits.

Read here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_(binary_translation_software)

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The reasons for Rosetta’s lesser capabilities as compared with Apple’s earlier 68k emulator for PPCs lie within its implementation—Rosetta is merely a userland program that can only intercept and emulate userland code, while the older emulator was integrated with the system at a much lower level.
"""

>I need not treating my source code.

what program you have written so can see how it look in AROS.

Here can see a screenshot of 68k Janus UAE.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ypaUlffYZrw/SmWCpQJn-eI/AAAAAAAAAFI/B9_x3HcZ4KU/s1600-h/20090721_ffplay.jpg

You can see a 68k shell and a ffplay window in 68k

that the shell is 68k you see because the Font is other than in AROS.But with AFA you can use the same font(if you want antialiasing), so should look same.

in ffplay window you see no diffrence.can also a AROS ffplay.And same look you can get when you use AFA and promote your MUI programs to zune.

But sure MOS and OS4 have some advantages(maybe arexx work better, but who have run AREX PPC Program and 68k program work together in the last 3 Months ?)
Janus UAE have the advanatage that it is much more compatible.

You can run in Janus UAE sasc with the debugger or storm C with the debugger, this fail on OS4, (on MOS i dont know)

On MOS or OS4 you need for games extra start a UAE and this UAE MOS/OS4 UAE have no JIT.

I remember my P3 1 GHZ days, that it was not able to play bckid with refresh every frame and full sound smooth.

Ony with the 1,8 GHZ X86 i can now run all games with complex copperlists and full sound smooth and have 20% CPU load free(A500 setting)

still amazing how powerfull the 20 years oldchips (especial copper was).

So the question is, is it better to get lower compatibilty when integrate 68k in AROS as Rosetta.

and are the advantages better than the disadvantages.its a matter of taste maybe.
But i want a compatible 68k emu, i remember when change something in amiblitz that work well on 68k AOS, it fail either in MOS or OS4 sometimes and it is more work to find out what the problem is, when you have not the system.

Here is btw a compatibilty list for OS4, but is on classic that have chipset.Is a compatibility List for MOS out ?

That list for OS4 show some programs work only without JIT.But all Programs you can run in UAE/winuae with JIT.On UAE all that work with 68006 work also with JIT.

http://freenet-homepage.de/CHRAmiga.de/OS4Software.html

>Thousand members MorphOS Amiga OS and ensures that if someone did
>something wrong somewhere

Problem with AROS is that it is not the announced future OS, so not many invest money or announce Systemseller software.

When we look back in 2001 for MOS are some new MOS only game come.
OS4 have the announcents of arteffect, real3d, dopus magellan, cand factory.thats so called system seller software.

But what have AROS ?
AROS have nothing only software announce.So wy should somebody see better future in AROS and invest money here ?

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@bernd_afa

I like much more the OS4/MOS implementation (Petunia/Trance for applications and UAE for games) than "alien" Janus UAE solution.

Quote:

On MOS or OS4 you need for games extra start a UAE and this UAE MOS/OS4 UAE have no JIT.

For most A500 like games is G3 500 MHz sufficient.

@bernd_afa

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But sure MOS and OS4 have some advantages(maybe arexx work better, but who have run AREX PPC Program and 68k program work together in the last 3 Months ?)

One can do that everyday in a way or another. For instance, I run dopus ftp client from a shortcut icon script on ambient that calls dopus ftp rexx command.
Or I can display IRC messages from AmIRC to MPlayer OSD (funny usage), or I retrieve ANR (or MPlayer,...) currently played filed through rexx and i display the title in AmIRC... Several possibilities. :)

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I'm very excited about AROS., 2009 has been very interesting. I hope 2010 will be good to AROS too. Janus UAE is very nice and it will be super once the intergation is finnished. I hope we get more native software as time goes by.

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@phase5fan

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If the Aros had SMP and MP would not be a problem. But AROS is neither compatible nor a modern operating system.

Agreed, that is a major problem with OS4/MOS/AROS, they are not modern and most likely never be close to modern OS unless they break 3.1 API.

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@bernd_afa
>Problem with AROS is that it is not the announced future OS

People are using AmigaOS4 (or MOS), because it is much more advanced and usable than AROS (which may change in the future), not because they think it´s the "announced future OS".

And they use it, because of the software that is already there and usable for everyday tasks, no matter if it´s native software or 68k-software.

You are always complaining, that AOS4 or MOS are the reason, that people don´t use AROS more, instead of seeing the problems that AROS has (and help to solve this problems).

There is no doubt, that AROS has made some huge steps in 2009. If the developers continue their good work, AROS can be a real alternative for AOS4 and MOS in the future.

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@AP

Balanced and fair account.

I believe that 2010 will be the year that Aros starts its journey as a true alternative.

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@clusteruk: I agree with you. Especially efforts like ICAROS, Ares One and of course your efforts around iMica pushed AROS really forward (as a OS for the end-user).

I am an AOS4-user, but I am interested in AROS, too, since it has become more usable. The only essential feature I still miss on AROS is printing.

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@AP
>People don´t use AmigaOS4 (or MOS), because it is much more advanced and >usable than AROS (which may change in the future), not because they think it´s >the "announced future OS".

Aros was still working some more or less 2001.What do you think, in 2002 when there maybe somebody offer a AROS 1.0 with a nice Feature List and you can buy the Hardware by preorder and when its done you get the AROS 1.0 with that features.does there much preorder ?

I dont know i see somewhere a poll here how many aone/ microaone users are here.The aone are the systems that are sell before any OS4 come.

so the 270 i get in mind have preorder it.And 270*100$ for every Pre sell AROS give 27000 $

With that money there can much do out of AROS, i dont know, maybe somebody can make list how much bounty is flow in AROS since all the years.I think AROS never get 27000 $.

So all in all what i want say the Name Amiga was good to selling better and i guess when they preorder for AROS 1.0, there is nobody that pay for it in advance.In computer magazines there cant also nothing read about AROS in the years 2002-2004.

What can also see is that the Progress of AROS from 2002-2006 was very very few, when look in the changelogs in SVN.Only 2007 there come more devs to AROS and more devs that support Aros with their progs-And so it grow and more programs come.

As highlights i can say, simplemail, YAM and MUI classes for zune are now in officall MUI classes source

I know that zune at the year 2006 have not much problems to get YAM and simple Mail working, can see that it run on 68k zune from 2006.

But with little more future hope in AROS, all can maybe done in the years 2002-2004 what happen now.And all what a OS need is future hope so its support by devs that port or write programs for it.

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@bernd_afa

From List at http://freenet-homepage.de/CHRAmiga.de/OS4Software.html

1.These software work at others users:

Datastore 1.6
AmIRC3.5 25.06.2000
Typeface 1.24

2.Software that may not work with such large changes in the system.

drivers

Poseidon 1.4
Poseidon 2.0
Poseidon 3.2
Poseidon 3.3
Poseidon 3.8
Silversurfer.device2.1
InfraRexx
Graffito24 2.60b
Graffito24 2.60d
IR-Analyser
Unitcontrol
SCSI Config

Software that can not work because it was too deep hack the system

antivirus

VirusZ III 1.02
VT3.17

emulators

Fusion 3.2
ShapeShifter 3.11

Drive Repair Software

QT 2.0

Big Workbench hack

DOpus5.8

Use hack to work debugger

StormC 3.0

Software to support the things for which there was no support system 3.x.
Such as the scanners, genlock.

Scala MM 300
Scala Animlab
Scala MM 400
Monument Designer 3
Clarissa 3.0
MooVid 1.6
TiffView 1.17
Scanquix 5
PlayCD OS3.9
PhoneWizard 1.7
Telefon/SMS Tool

3. Badly written software

OS 4 gives wrong CPU, try load 020 stuff that don`t exist
So software not work.
I see no reason why the program code would be something like,
how to check the CPU.

Voyager 3.3.125
Voyager 3.3.126
PPT 6.18

hardware banging:

X-Copy-TNG
Powerplayer 3.9
Protracker 2.3D
Protracker 4.0
Samplitude Opus 3.5
GMPlay
Deluxe Paint 4
Deluxe Paint 5
ANES

4. I did not find any information on the Internet - probably too old

Hex 1.0B
ASEC 1.0
Navigator
Picture Convert

5. Should work?

Unsquish 2.1
Editpad OS3.9
MyGenesisReport
ffmpeg-0.4.9

PCx 1.1


In conclusion

Does not work the software was to be expected that it will not work.
In most cases, software written correctly, the does not hack the system,
works.
And it work without UAE.

I propose this webpage with more tested software:
http://www.intuitionbase.com/ossoftware.php

@phase5fan

Deluxe Paint could probably work (at least partialy), when the OS emulates Chip RAM and planar modes (options avaiable since OS4 Final, I think).

@thinkchip

So I decided that to evaluate AROS fairly, I should install it on modern hardware: 2.3GHz P4, 2GB RAM, etc. I was nervous because I wanted to install it on the secondary harddrive, drive D. The primary HD has Windows XP and a bunch of software, so I didn't try anything tricky "to see what would happen". During installation I changed the unit from 0 to 1 (which I assume indicates the secondary HD) and held my breath. Everything seemed to go all right and my XP wasn't touched. Windows recognizes the AROS partitions, so at least they are safe from Windows. I'm not sure AROS recognizes Windows partitions and I'm not sure I want to find out. AROS does seem to be more snappy and usable on faster hardware. I'm using a 768 X 1366 LCD TV connected by HDMI cable. AROS thinks it's a 768 X 1024 monitor. I am continuing my evaluation at a rather leisurely pace ...

Update: AROS is having trouble with my TV. 640 X 480 is the only screenmode available.

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@thinkchip

Be sure to use the latest kernal on the new dailys as it has new crash protection code. Hope you are using icaros 1.2

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