@Leo
Speak for yourself. Most people here are because of the so called ancient OS that you love to bash.
Why are you even here if there is nothing good left anymore??

Even so called modern OSes like Windows are based on old code and was new rewritten from scratch.

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@Leo

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It's time for a fresh start: fresh brand, no stupid legacy/history, fresh OS, fresh applications!

I will leave the door open to see what happens with the Minimig, Sam, X1000 and Natami users.

I got involved with microcontrollers and chips to see if I can build a single board computer but it is expensive with some of the development kits. It is a job for many people.

@Leo

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I'm wondering: who cares about the trademark ? It's so weak/old... The only thing it would be useful for is nostalgia

I'd say there's a bit more to it than just nostalgia, but yes, that's one if it's strengths. And it is a strength, not a weakness. It's possible to take advantage of that.

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Only 500 users worldwide care...

False. You are confusing two different things:
1 - The current size of the Amiga active community (i.e., users that are ready to buy right now). 500 is a good estimate, yes.
2 - The number of people who have used an Amiga computer in the past and recognize the brand name. Needless to say, this number is in the millions.

I'm not saying those millions are ready to buy something Amiga right now, but they are aware of the brand. There's some market value when you have a name that triggers a positive reaction in people's minds. Of course, you still need a clever way to turn that into cash, and that's the million dollar issue here.

@ruben

Agree with every word! IIRC it was aprox 7 million Amigas sold worldwide,and if we can reach just 1% of those,it's 70000 user's. That's not a bad at all,but a damn hard goal to reach.

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@ruben

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I'm not saying those millions are ready to buy something Amiga right now, but they are aware of the brand. There's some market value when you have a name that triggers a positive reaction in people's minds. Of course, you still need a clever way to turn that into cash, and that's the million dollar issue here.

If you could bottle the Amiga experience and sell the pure essence you could make a mint. I don't think an Amiga games in a joystick product would quite capture it but it would be a money spinner!

You really would have to hope that once the Amiga IP is sold on again, that co-operation would enable the development of Classic themed cases but with AmigaOS 4.x compatible hardware inside would be affordable enough to target at a specific mass market niche!

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@Leo
Then by all means go and make that fresh start, fresh OS, fresh whatever somewhere else and let us 500 people have AmigaOS to ourself without your negative comments.

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@Caveman

Totally! With 70000 users, perhaps even less, you can have a healthy niche market supporting not only Amiga's owners but also 3rd party developers.

@ruben

Yes,exactly. I bet we would do quite good with 35000 also.

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@ruben

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1 - The current size of the Amiga active community (i.e., users that are ready to buy right now). 500 is a good estimate, yes.

Is it a good estimate? This is an interesting question... I understand Hyperion doesn't survive only on OS4, but I have a hard time seeing OS4 as being possible to get to even break even with a market of only 500.

At the current price of OS4, assuming some margins for resellers, taxes and assorted costs, and 500 users might just barely pay for a single experienced developer in a developed country for a year.

I guess it *could* be a labour of love and something they see as a long term investment, but my hunch is that their market must be bigger.

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@vidarh

I don't think anyone here really know,if it's a good estimate,or not. The only one who can answer that,is Hyperion themself. I also think 500 paying customers,seems a bit low.

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The number of people who have used an Amiga computer in the past and recognize the brand name.

These people remember what ?
An Amiga 500 and Shadow of the Beast...

What are you going to do with them ? You may sell them an Amiga in a Joystick (that's what I was saying), but what else ? 99.9% of them have a PC/Win or a Mac. What can you bring to them ?

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2) Sam 440 Flex with a fast enough CPU to give backwards compatibility with OCS games & a chance to sample the new OS!

An ex-Amiga owner already has a PC and can already handle OCS/ECS games a lot better than your SAM will ever do...

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@Leo

You really don't know when to stop,do you?

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@Caveman

Give the guy some suggestions then!

Things to sell an ex-A500 owner!

1) A MiniMig fully bundled with ADFs of old A500 games and with save game SD functionality enabled

2) Sam 440 Flex with a fast enough CPU to give backwards compatibility with OCS games & a chance to sample the new OS!

3) Yes, why not an Amiga in a joystick with bundled games!

4) A mug and T-Shirt

4) A retro coupon deal scheme or sponsorship deal for a local stadium!!??

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@BigD

Why should i? i would have better success talking to a wall,and get a sane respons

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@vidarh

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Is it a good estimate? This is an interesting question...

Perhaps not, I don't know. It just a gut feeling based on forum activity, not hard data. Maybe it's more. It also depends if you're counting people that are keeping up with Amiga news, but are not buying anything.

@ruben

Maybe some user's prefer Amiga websites,with their own language?

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@Leo

Market opportunity:

I'm a PSP owner and not satisfied with it. It's underpowered, the controls are cumbersome and I can't do anything with it that Sony doesn't allow me too. The DS is even more limited, since it's a toy for children.

Create a handheld with superior hardware, state of the art gaming controls, powered by a fast, effective OS like AmigaOS, make it an open platform (i.e., basically free to develop for) with great development tools. You could also comission remakes of well known Amiga games exclusively available for that. You mentioned Shadow of the Beast. That would be a good candidate.

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1 - The current size of the Amiga active community (i.e., users that are ready to buy right now). 500 is a good estimate, yes.

Much more, a very little market anyway but s far i know active modern Amigas are like 2000 or more.

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@ikir

I happily stand corrected then