@cha05e90

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Hmm - why should I use this? I would run Windows nativley on a x86 architecture...

WINE is not an emulator.

"The name 'Wine' derives from the recursive acronym Wine Is Not an Emulator" - wiki

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@olegil

Not to mention "its" and "it's".

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@tonyw

Yao.

Had to go back and check if I actually used that wrong in my own rant, but seems I didn't

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

The great SDL based application Cinnamon Writer can now be downloaded for AROS from here:

http://desler.be/modules/wfchannel/

If you buy AresOne you will get the very latest version bundled with A-live
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4276&forum=4&post_id=37394#forumpost37394

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@DAX

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Yes there are some Amigans here that back Aros, but you know who they are already and the list it's not going to get larger.

If you're going to spread a message of peace, try to resist making sly little digs against other people's systems.

It makes your threads on Amigans saying how nasty and argumentative we all are on AW seem a little hypocritical.

Chris

I don't think it is a matter of pointlessness because people have their preferences set.
New people coming here need to get an unbiased view on what Amiga-related operating systems are available.
It is unfair to feed them the "OS4 is the true Amiga" line while telling users of other Amiga-related systems not to preach here.

@clebin

Who on earth spreads messages of peace anymore anyway?

Depending on mood, either massages of peace or messages of #### are generally much more enjoyable to spread

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@thread

There's one thing though, I love AROS for and hate AmigaOS and MorphOS (I mean the feature alone): it has a prebuilt distribution apps' package. Like in AmigaSYS, like AmiKit, anybody can download Icaros Desktop and have all bunch of useful apps out of the box.

I love stuff that comes out of the box. After I installed MorphOS, I spent signifficant amount of time on collecting all the basic apps. Fortunately MorphZone has a nice app collection, but I still have the feeling that there are many key apps which I simply miss. And that makes me a saaaaad Panda

@aros guys

Please tell me the difference between aros exec and aros world. Go not the faintest idea on it, still, dunno which one to use (and why two!!). Seems too much Amiga forums to me

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@DiskDoctor

Basically Aros-Exec is used by developers and advanced users and Arosworld is really for mostly user questions.

Both are very useful, I just hang out at Aros-Exec more.

Choice is always a good thing I thought.

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@Al4

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AROS could be a proper alternative to Windows.

LOL!

Sorry, but I thought you was going say alternative to AmigaOS or MorphOS. And more so, I expected the subject to be about AROS catching on in the Amiga scene, and having Amiga people actually use it as a dedicated OS like OS4 is.

But in place of Windows? Right now, as it stands, only if you Amiga format the drive and install it over the top of Windows!

@DiskDoctor

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bunch of useful apps out of the box.

Actually OS4.1u1 does have an installer for extra applications like these.

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@DiskDoctor

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I love AROS (...because...) it has a prebuilt distribution apps' package. Like in AmigaSYS, like AmiKit, anybody can download Icaros Desktop and have all bunch of useful apps out of the box.

I can do this thanks to the free/open nature of AROS and Icaros Desktop. If something goes wrong with third party software, all that I should do is releasing a fixed version, including a more advanced version of the offending program. You don't pay for it, you've not so many freedom to complain.

AmigaOS and MOS, being them commercial products, simply can't do that: they must deliver software in a perfectly working shape or, at least, provide betas with big warnings to users. Moreover, they may have more difficulties with programs authors, since it is right to provide a fee to them based on money earnt selling the OSes.

@clusteruk

Right. I will stick to Aros-Exec for the time being then.

@Hypex

That's awsome!!! Now it's time for MorphOS apps compilation!

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@Al4

Know what the real problem is? The community is dividedt between three different OSes: AROS, Amiga OS, and MorphOS.

If the people behind Amiga OS and MorphOS really had good marketing sense and actually wanted to make money, they would open source their OS code and work together to merge the three systems. Then we would have a unified front and plenty of money could be made in selling value added packages.

@trans

Why open source AOS and MOS???

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olegil wrote: @clebin Who on earth spreads messages of peace anymore anyway? Depending on mood, either massages of peace or messages of #### are generally much more enjoyable to spread

I'll take a 'massage of peace' if its a hot looking girl..

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@Antique

He gave his reason in his post.

@Channel_Z

Strange reasons if you ask me

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If the people behind Amiga OS and MorphOS ... actually wanted to make money, they would open source their OS code

I don't think that makes much sense... Making money from open source is actually quite difficult.

One way might be for Hyperion to port games to our PPC systems... but open sourcing would almost guarantee OS fragmentation, including an x86 port without any backwards compatibility (and who then would pay for a port of an old PC game to AmigaOS running on x86? Pretty much no-one I guess).

Plus merging two or three AmigaOS with fairly different designs would be a major undertaking, and maybe not even possible (in any useful sense). Also, as mentioned above, we'd be pretty certain to see them fragment again (Amigans have too strong opinions on how the OS should be to agree on One True Way).

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@ChrisH

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ChrisH wrote: I don't think that makes much sense... Making money from open source is actually quite difficult.

Tell that to Red Hat.

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One way might be for Hyperion to port games to our PPC systems... but open sourcing would almost guarantee OS fragmentation, including an x86 port without any backwards compatibility (and who then would pay for a port of an old PC game to AmigaOS running on x86? Pretty much no-one I guess).

Not at all. Standards keep things orbiting a common center. We all benefit from the cooperative efforts.

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Plus merging two or three AmigaOS with fairly different designs would be a major undertaking, and maybe not even possible (in any useful sense). Also, as mentioned above, we'd be pretty certain to see them fragment again (Amigans have too strong opinions on how the OS should be to agree on One True Way).

All three still have much in common.

To paint a larger picture, consider the computer markets today. Most of the energy right now is in mobile computing --laptops, netbooks, cellphones, tablets. That's where the action is. AmigaOS (and brethen) is a perfect software platform for these devices. Plenty of money can be made in this arena, not by selling the OS, b/c an open source OS garners thousands of developers, a work force that cannot be matched. Rather by selling support services and add-ons (ring tones, apps, support devices, t-shirts, books, whatever). The trick is to develop a large invested market. Once you have that, then you have an in to sell many other products. But to get there you need to first create that market. And that's what an OS does --if it's allowed to do so.