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amigang 
Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 8-Dec-2010 20:56:43
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The youtube video (Queen love of my life) I feel applies more to us users more than C=USA, so why not use this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_eYSuPKP3Y

(Personally I want to thank C=USA and its fans for keeping off the forum for a while until something was ready, its odd the two fans found out about so quickly and posted on the same thread with in a hour of each other on the news, even odder that Wolftothemoon who previously claimed to have nothing to do with C=USA now seems to know what stage of development the c64 is at, so must be closely related to the business, but never the less, even though I have attacked C=USA I must admit I am still curious as to what they will be offering and bring to the market, maybe if its of high quality and something that supports the current Amiga markets you may have a buyer, but some how I dout it, please prove me and others wrong. )

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Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 8-Dec-2010 21:33:36
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I really can not comprehend what this thread has to do on a Amiga forum


They have licence for Amiga name - in good and bad they take part in our story.

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Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 8-Dec-2010 21:42:48
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They have licence for Amiga name - in good and bad they take part in our story.

Exactly.

And from an AW website perspective I should repeat the results of the [poll] on how to maintain peace and harmony amongst all:

Quote:
So, the future guidelines regarding C=USA.

Start threads in Alt Amiga OS forum if it concerns AROS on C=USA IBM-PC clones.

Otherwise; use General Technology or Free for All.


(tomazkid for AWstaff)

Source

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Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 9-Dec-2010 5:50:02
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@Wizzard_o

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@WolfToTheMoon

What a fanboy! Digging up this old NON AMIGA thread to stir up more FUD are we?

ITS A PC, NOT AN AMIGA. NO AMIGA OS1-4.1 = NO AMIGA
RE-BRANDING A PC THAT SOME ONE ELSE BUILT DOES NOT QUALIFY.

Sigh, thats better. X86 is dead anyway, X64 is the way ahead move with the times Cummodore USA!


PS, X64 is short for X86-64

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linnar 
Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 9-Dec-2010 8:15:03
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@number6

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So, the future guidelines regarding C=USA.

Start threads in Alt Amiga OS forum if it concerns AROS on C=USA IBM-PC clones.

Otherwise; use General Technology or Free for All.


We'll see what the Amiga is right Amiga. Legally, there should be Amiga inc. who determines what is right Amiga.

Perhaps there should be posts on AmigaOS 4.x to be taken during Amiga clones.

Anyway, I look forward to real Amigas new website.

I put my neck out a bit there.

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vox 
Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 9-Dec-2010 15:12:35
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@linnar

Legally Yes, but since they decided NOT to develop AmigaOS, at reality point,
real Amiga is Amiga that can run AmigaOS.

Classic AmigaOS 1.0-3.x can be emulated now, while OS 4.x requieres PowerPC hardware. I believe that OS is more important than a name.

Off course this will create the big confusion, taking attention of outside the (real) AmigaOS community to "Amiga" hardware, that is nothing more then licence purchase.

Just like you would find any popular name, purchase it and make a sunglasses with that name. In reality it would not equalize the previous product, just make the the rebranding to make more $$$.

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Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 9-Dec-2010 15:24:21
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Didn't they remove the x from the C64 name? ;)


I don't know... I kinda liked it, would make life easier for those owning both the 8 and 64 bit versions.

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Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 9-Dec-2010 15:33:00
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@vox

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Legally Yes, but since they decided NOT to develop AmigaOS, at reality point,


Here's a reality check for you... they wanted to get involved with Hyperion, but they (Hyperion) obviously said no. They also asked MorphOS team, the same answer. AROS was ditched, in part because of legal reasons, in part because of the community response. If you're so bitter about this development(No classic-AmigaOS on Commodore Amigas), then you're barking up the wrong tree here. But I can tell you this much... a new generation x86 Amiga will also probably have a new generation OS... which one, that's for me and you to find out.

P.S. It's not Windows

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Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 9-Dec-2010 15:50:21
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@WolfToTheMoon

Quote:

WolfToTheMoon wrote:
@vox

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Legally Yes, but since they decided NOT to develop AmigaOS, at reality point,


Here's a reality check for you... they wanted to get involved with Hyperion, but they (Hyperion) obviously said no. They also asked MorphOS team, the same answer. AROS was ditched, in part because of legal reasons, in part because of the community response. If you're so bitter about this development(No classic-AmigaOS on Commodore Amigas), then you're barking up the wrong tree here. But I can tell you this much... a new generation x86 Amiga will also probably have a new generation OS... which one, that's for me and you to find out.

P.S. It's not Windows




Workbench 4.x? :)

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Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 9-Dec-2010 15:58:08
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@X86_Amigist

What's that?

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Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 9-Dec-2010 16:07:35
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What's that?


Don`t know... hopefully it will be it! ;)

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Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 10-Dec-2010 12:42:24
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKnlo7sLfa0&feature=related

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Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 10-Dec-2010 12:59:38
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@WolfToTheMoon

Maybe Commodore Basic V3 :)
Let me think...As Commodore was owned by Tramiel, then it should be Commodore TOS, secretly developed during all these years.
If I were them, I'll put linux or windows with a modified version of Amithlon that drive the PCI Express Clone-A board, or a minimig card.
So with JIT emulation you'll get fast AmigaOS and with a chipset hardware "emulation/replication", you'll get what make an Amiga an Amiga.

But to me the ultimate machine could be something done by Individuals computer, a new motherboard including a PPC and 060 cpus, plus the clone A project. Get then a deal to have OS4.1 for classic and you're done.

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Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 10-Dec-2010 12:59:42
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@WolfToTheMoon

You sound like you have really been up to the moon. Amiga Inc officially never tried to support MorphOS or give it Amiga name, instead they contracted Hyperion to do OS 4. Soon, Amiga Inc and Eyetech were unable to produce AmigaOnes, and Acube jumped in where Amiga Inc declined to give them licence for Amiga name. Outcome of their interest in AmigaOS4 takeover is legaly known, but still they promised AmigaOS4 hardware with ACK that never materialized (note: it`s at least 3 companies behind Amiga Inc in these period). So I don`t see why they should be praised at all. Even they good idea with Tao Intent for OS5 was soon dropped and they never developed it. And now giving full Amiga licence to CBM USA sounds like a bit revenge to Acube and Hyperion since it brings exactly this kind of confusion and expectations. To be honest, worse company I have heard of in terms of promises/delivery. If companies were legally obliged to pay for every promised product announced if not delivered to the dates, they would be out long time ago. They seems to continue to exist on such big bussines as licencing Amiga name to third parties interested in its exploit.

Only thing they developed was some app layer called AmigaDE with is a subject of fun even today and seems to sell less then OS 4.

I will not rival with you anymore in your Amiga knowledge, as it seems to be huge, but I am interested that you explain that big fuzz of next gen x86 AmigaOS that is not AROS. No one ever mentioned it, even your famous CUSA. It`s a big expectation, big words, but sound just like AmigaInc.

First of all there is no x86 Amiga to be next gen x86 Amiga. There are general PC`s, cutsomized PC like AROS and might be a fancy all on ine sticked computer like CUSA CBM Amiga (not to confuse with real Commodore Amigas).

There are AmigaClassics and Next Gen Amigas which are Peg`s, AmigaOnes and SAM`s.

Really, try to posion some PC users, it might work with them, they don`t know anything about it.

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Posted on 10-Dec-2010 14:43:23
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@WolfToTheMoon

I smell another "bigger than iPhone" tall tale coming along. Are you McBill?

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Posted on 10-Dec-2010 14:56:59
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@persia

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I smell another "bigger than iPhone" tall tale coming along. Are you McBill?


Dude, you`re so wrong...it even hurts to read your words...

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Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 10-Dec-2010 15:25:48
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@vox

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vox wrote:
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First of all there is no x86 Amiga to be next gen x86 Amiga. There are general PC`s, cutsomized PC like AROS and might be a fancy all on ine sticked computer like CUSA CBM Amiga (not to confuse with real Commodore Amigas).

There are AmigaClassics and Next Gen Amigas which are Peg`s, AmigaOnes and SAM`s.

Really, try to posion some PC users, it might work with them, they don`t know anything about it.


Do you know which CPU lies in X1000?
Concrete model name with concrete specs and benchmark tests?
I want to see the current ??? X1000 CPU compared to i7, the lowest model of i7...
Why are they still hiding it ?
Why does X1000 cost +2000 ?
How come that there is still no concrete price configured?
Did anyone got the first mobo inside the beta test phase?
When will that happen ?

Apart from the story above, Amiga can only be produced by Commodore... No
one else can produce Next Gen Amiga... You can all talk and dream about the next gen
Amigas but without C= logo and it`s own OS it is not Amiga. It is the same thing as
AROS, BEOS, MORPHOS, AOS4.1... it all goes in the same bowl of
Amiga OS CLONES!

So, i do not understand this whole hostile social environment pointed on all
other people that say anything that even tries to speak about X86 or any other option.
Why is it like that? Amiga community was never hostile, i have Amigas since i was 6, and that was 26 years ago. I never met any hostile Amiga owner, only here it is a normal
routine to be hostile. Sad but true! A day ago i saw somewhere here a post by someone
saying something like.. "..thank you (C=USA fans) for not spamming this forum!"
This is awful and sad, specially that moderators allow that!

Commodore Amiga - Time WILL show the difference...
( whether some like it or not but they will have to - there will be no other choice left for them)

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Re: The New Commodore Amiga 500x and Commodore 64x
Posted on 10-Dec-2010 15:54:47
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@X86_Amigist

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Apart from the story above, Amiga can only be produced by Commodore... Noone else can produce Next Gen Amiga... You can all talk and dream about the next genAmigas but without C= logo and it`s own OS it is not Amiga.


and

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( whether some like it or not but they will have to - there will be no other choice left for them)


Understanding that Pluritas is acting to sell the Amiga trademarks for AI, then can we consider your post as a factual statement that C=USA has now bought them?

If not, then how can you say that no one else can produce an Amiga?

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Posted on 10-Dec-2010 16:03:22
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@number6

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If not, then how can you say that no one else can produce an Amiga?

#6


It is my personal opinion! They can put Amiga name wherever they want?
Or am I wrong? AInc gave them the licenses that Hyperion will never have?
Or am I even there wrong? And that are the key licenses to produce Commodore
Amigas?

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Do you know which CPU lies in X1000?


Highly probably PA6T (dual core).

Quote:
Concrete model name with concrete specs and benchmark tests?


According to PA Semi (former manufacturer) it scores 1000 SpecInt2000 and 1500 SpecFp2000 at 2 GHz.

Quote:
I want to see the current ??? X1000 CPU compared to i7, the lowest model of i7...


Top i7 is probably 5 times faster (in sense Y=5*X) than PA6T in single core operations.

Quote:
Why are they still hiding it ?


Hidding? X1000 isn´t on the market yet.

Quote:
Why does X1000 cost +2000 ?


Expensive parts (PA6T CPU), small scale (few hunderts boards).

Quote:
How come that there is still no concrete price configured?


X1000 isn´t on the market yet.

Quote:
Did anyone got the first mobo inside the beta test phase?


Probably not yet.

Quote:
When will that happen ?


I assume soon.

Quote:
Apart from the story above, Amiga can only be produced by Commodore...


What about Amiga One?

Quote:
You can all talk and dream about the next gen
Amigas but without C= logo and it`s own OS it is not Amiga.


Really amazing! Amiga with OS that even can´t bear name Amiga OS

Quote:
It is the same thing as
AROS, BEOS, MORPHOS, AOS4.1... it all goes in the same bowl of
Amiga OS CLONES!


Except that Amiga OS is still Amiga OS (today in version 4.1u2)...

Quote:
So, i do not understand this whole hostile social environment pointed on all
other people that say anything that even tries to speak about X86 or any other option.


Hostile? They only have another deffinition of "Amiga" than you. You can freely speak here about x86 (even I would like to have these CPUs in AmigaOS powered computers)

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Why is it like that? Amiga community was never hostile, i have Amigas since i was 6, and that was 26 years ago. I never met any hostile Amiga owner, only here it is a normal


Did you read some old discussions from early 90s? Some vocal members of then day Amiga community were really hostile towards anything "non-Amiga" (like Atari).
Today, many users on this forum see Amiga from CommodoreUSA as alien to their deffinition of "Amiga" as was IBM PC in good old days.

Quote:
Commodore Amiga - Time WILL show the difference...


I hope so

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