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NutsAboutAmiga 
Commodore USA does not own the trademark to commodore logos.
Posted on 1-Sep-2010 23:29:57
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Commodore USA does not own the trademark to commodore logos,
the trademarks are owned by Commodore International B.V.
or Commodore Gaming.

http://www.commodoregaming.com/pcshop/Country.aspx

As you can see they do not have any link to the US web page.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4004:pe2i1j.2.1
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4004:pe2i1j.2.7


“C COMMODORE” trademark is owned by Commodore International B.V.

Owner:

Commodore International B.V.
Besloten Vennootschap
Hermesweg 15
NL-3741 GP Baarn
NETHERLANDS


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Re: Commodore USA does not own the trademark to commodore logos.
Posted on 1-Sep-2010 23:33:57
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They never claimed they owned the trademark!!! And neither does Commodore gaming own anything other then a license

For God sake, read a bit more into it before you go posting this rubbish!

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Re: Commodore USA does not own the trademark to commodore logos.
Posted on 1-Sep-2010 23:45:59
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@Argosy

This what Commodore USA writes on there web page

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About Commodore Licensing B.V.:

Commodore Licensing B.V., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Asiarim Corporation (OTCQB: “ARMC”), is the licensor of the trademark Commodore, and grants other parties licenses in connection with specific products or services. Asiarim Corporation is also investing in companies engaged in, or related to, the development, sales and distribution of computer, mobile and multi-media products marketed under the brand name Commodore.


Asiarim Corporation does not own it.
Commodore Licensing B.V does not own it.

Again its owned by “Commodore International B.V.”

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Re: Commodore USA does not own the trademark to commodore logos.
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They are the licensor of trademarks, not owners. What's so unclear?

As to your puzzle with Commodore B.V., it's the same company in all 3 cases. Probably Licensing deals only with just that what it says in the name.

In all fairness, if you are interested, just send a e-mail to Commodore International B.V. Is that so hard?

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they are stocklisted in the USA CDRL.PK......they are still cheap but after this deal they will increase in price..!!!

commodore international bv and commodore licensing are aslo planning to sell the commodore patents

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Troels 
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What patents do they own that haven't expired or is about to expire real soon?

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Posted on 6-Sep-2010 9:46:20
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Valid 20 years from filing date (in most cases):

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.htm&r=0&p=1&f=S&l=50&Query=an/commodore+and+an/electronics+and%0D%0Aapd/9/6/1990-%3E9/6/2010&d=PTXT

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you can find them on the internet....i think 14 patents are stil valid...!!!

i've heard they are selling a licence to a mobile company as well...

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i guess these patents will be worth a fortune..?

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Creating new logos is easy, after some time people even forget about old logos (Boingball vs. Checkmark)


This could be a nice logo for CommodoreUSA:



Maybe they could use the colors read and blue instead of gold.

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Patent is good for 21 years tops in the USA aftet the FILING DATE. And why would anyone pay money for out of date work that will be free in a couple of years anyway?

You either market a product based on the patent, license it, or sue others who try to infringe. That's how a patent makes money. Owning/Claiming to own it makes $0 . And who's going to enforce a Commodore patent if the whole world infringes on it? The whole world probably has already. Anyone see any thing on that list of patents you need to buy to market your own product? The only thing left after 2014 will be the trademark and logo. After this long crummy history, how much can you get for that?

Old Commodore IP is in such disarray, untill someone gets sued for big money in a big case.... everyone owns it.

Question... "WHO'S THE IP HOLDER!?"
Answer ... "I'M SPARTACUS!!!"



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You either market a product based on the patent, license it, or sue others who try to infringe. That's how a patent makes money. Owning/Claiming to own it makes $0 . And who's going to enforce a Commodore patent if the whole world infringes on it? The whole world probably has already. Anyone see any thing on that list of patents you need to buy to market your own product? The only thing left after 2014 will be the trademark and logo. After this long crummy history, how much can you get for that?

Old Commodore IP is in such disarray, untill someone gets sued for big money in a big case.... everyone owns it.

and, let's be honest, the holders of commodore trademarks, copyrights, patents, etc. -- which is ASIARIM at the moment -- hasn't exactly been doing too well of late. for example, in its previous financial quarter, the company made a gross operating profit of $9 USD. yes, that was a nine. on a grand total of $269 USD in revenues.

its net loss for the quarter was $148,655 USD. and so far this fiscal year they've racked up nearly $900,000 in losses. of course this was before barry, CEO and president of the massive 'commodore USA' empire showed up to ask for his 'exclusive, worldwide license.' i think ASIARIM was thrilled.

it's not as though this hasn't been tried before, sticking a commodore badge on off-the-shelf equipment. but in the past it hasn't been especially successful. we can only hope barry, CEO and president of 'commodore USA' (and high lord sanvalvwag of hollop -- he has an exclusive, worldwide license to that title from the douglas adams' estate according to recent press releases, i believe) will make a better go of it then those who have tried before him.

good luck to ya, fella.

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Last edited by eliyahu on 06-Sep-2010 at 10:49 PM.
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i guess these patents will be worth a fortune..?


Depends on a) who's buying them and whether they need them to operate and b) whether they have any ongoing licensing revenues.

I wouldn't pay much for them, but that's because a) I don't need them ;)

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and what is cdrl.pk on the stock market ??? it says also commodore...!!!

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warrenb wrote:

and what is cdrl.pk on the stock market ??? it says also commodore...!!!

that's yet another 'holding company' of which ASIARIM has a stake. ASIARIM is the, well, soon to be, sole holder of the commodore trademarks. just as soon as they can raise the cash.

here is what they said in their recent quarterly filing with the SEC:

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On January 5, 2009 the Company entered into a joint venture agreement with Commodore Licensing B.V. (formerly known as CIC Europe Holding B.V.), a former subsidiary of Reunite Investments Inc. (formerly known as Commodore International Corporation ("CIC")) to form a 50/50 joint venture company named Commodore Asia Holdings Limited ("CAHL") to facilitate the manufacturing and distribution of computer products under the brand name of Commodore for the territories of Asia and Africa. Under the terms of the joint venture agreement and exclusive trademark license agreement, CIC will contribute the exclusive license brand to Asia and Africa for a period of 5 years plus an automatic extension of a further 5 years, and the Company will contribute up to a maximum of $7 million. CIC shall also have the right to exchange its 50% interests in the joint venture for 50% interests in the Company, subject to the joint venture company achieving certain sales conditions. The joint venture company shall be responsible for providing sourcing and developing of new products for CIC and its affiliates worldwide, and the marketing and distributing of Commodore branded products in Asia and Africa.

In September 2009, the Company entered into a conditional Participation Agreement to acquire the 49% interests in the Commodore brand, the entire European operation of Commodore and the remaining interests of our Asian operation for a total cash consideration of up to EUR 2,000,000 and the issuance of 15,520,000 shares of the Company. On January 6, 2010, the Company closed this transaction, effectively solidifying the worldwide Commodore operation under the Company.

In February 2010, the Company entered into an agreement to acquire the other 51% of C= Holdings B.V. (formerly known as Commodore International B.V.) for a total amount of EUR 300,000. After the acquisition, the Company now has the ownership rights for the Commodore brand and have now secured the extended operation in Europe. We believe that acquiring such assets will enable us to provide future growth to the Group. At the date hereof, the Company still has not made any payment in respect of these acquisitions and will need to raise money to pay off the payment obligations.

the new 'commodore international' is a company which is responsible for collecting royalties on the sales of the C64 emulator for apple iOS products.

and i would imagine that will make quite a bit more money than barry's fantasy products: products whose software is currently being 'architected' in threads on this very forum in posts between random posters and the 'commodore USA' CTO.



my, what a professional and realistic design process we have the privilege of seeing publicly! i mean, normally in the industry we usually find design work being done by competent, experienced, and professional developers behind closed doors. but not here! perhaps barry believes in 'open community development?' perhaps barry's girlfriend's house just doesn't have enough room with all of that great chinese furniture in it for actual engineers?



ok, ok, i'll tone down the sarcasm now. oh brother, what a soap opera we have here.

-- eliyahu

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ok, ok, i'll tone down the sarcasm now. oh brother, what a soap opera we have here.


For me It all began about 1992 when Commodore released the A4000 with a case that you couldn't fit your video toaster in. It's been a long running, entertaining and annoying opera ever since.

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It's been a long running, entertaining and annoying opera ever since.


Too early to drag Tulip into the convo? [evil grin]

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