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Re: COMMODORE USA projects spending 30 million USD in advertising with ads developed by Korey Kay & Partners
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I would welcome a total ignorance of this (kind of) thread(s) and will go as far as to advocate such a behaviour as it is the best way to let it/them slip into oblivion. Don't waste energy and shy newcomers to this forum off the moment they come peekin' around.

So just ignore and we're done with it!

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I would welcome a total ignorance of this (kind of) thread(s) and will go as far as to advocate such a behaviour as it is the best way to let it/them slip into oblivion. Don't waste energy and shy newcomers to this forum off the moment they come peekin' around.

So just ignore and we're done with it!

i'd love it if we could move 'commodore USA' related threads to 'free for all' or some such forum where the threads do not clutter up the main page. until they actually ship -- or even announce specifics -- on a machine remotely related to the amiga platform and/or its history, it's all off-topic anyway. and between leo and 'new members' which appear from time to time to spam the fora with this nonsense, i don't think there really is that much interest among the community. yet.

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Can you please explain if $30 million USD is a typo or if not if its something spread over a certain amount of years to make it a bit more believable?


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commodoreusa is such an awful company, the worst website ever.. they dont care about copyrights, stealing every kind of informations, text, pictures and so on. i cant understand why anyone is still believing a single word from them.. they are even more worse than amiga inc and thats really really hard to do. this is a punch in the face for the amighaos4/morphos/aros camps who are producing amigastuff since a long time now!

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You don't have to believe in them. You just wait 6-12 months and it will be quite clear if there's any substance behind their words. Would you mind a Amiga case for your SAM board for example ? Their ideas aren't entirely bad they are just different.

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What you say in a pub or bar can be defamation too! If you defame someone in a transitory medium like speech it's called slander. If you make unproven accusations about someone in any media (including face-to-face) and your claims damage that person's reputation or make life difficult for them, then that can be a crime.

Of course, it's bloody hard to prove what someone said in a bar (and doubly hard to prove that anyone believed them or cared) so I can't imagine many cases like that get to court. But I'm not a lawyer.

It's also hard to prove who said what in a forum (or prosecute everyone who makes defamatory comments online) but that doesn't make it legal.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but everyone is also entitled to be considered innocent until proven guilty. So if you make things difficult for someone by claiming they've done something when there's no proof that they have, then you've wronged them, and the law seeks to protect them from that - regardless of whether you made your claims in a magazine article, on a forum, or in a bar.

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There was a big case in Ireland a while back along those lines. A large music events monopoly here made a mess of a big music festival, abusing their position and what not. People gave out about it on a large forum (boards.ie), which involved a bunch of people telling stories about their experiences at the event. The big music promoter took offence to this, but because they couldn't sue the people who made the posts, they went after the website owners themselves. As a result, the website have now banned any mention of the company in question, and talking about them at all will land you a posting ban.

What I'm saying is, even though it's free speech and you're basically anonymous, what you say is still "published" on someone's website, and the owners of the website are ultimately responsible for whatever messages are on their site when nobody else can be held accountable.

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Re: COMMODORE USA projects spending 30 million USD in advertising with ads developed by Korey Kay & Partners
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My thoughts are that while you follow C=USA's chances I will be focussing on the bigger fish that they are somewhat dependent on...Asiarim.atm, they seem to be paying a yearly salary of only 12,000 USD (poverty level) to their CTO. Of course, they might have simply misplaced a decimal point.


hmm...apparently there was no error in the decimal point.

October 22,2010:

Quote:
each one of these directors shall receive an annual salary of US$12,000


http://www.faqs.org/sec-filings/101026/ASIARIM-CORP_8-K/

hmm...the stock exchange lists this page as "company website":
http://www.commodoreasia.com

(link repaired, slash required)

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Oh well...

November 1, 2010

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Asiarim Corp Announces Resignation of Sheung Fung LAU from the Board of Directors


That puts $12,000 back in the kitty I guess.

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30 million? I can't believe it, they must invest 1000$ in a professional web design first.

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@number6

ok. Let's see if we can simplify all this...

We have a website: http://www.commodorecorp.com
But using the name "Commodore" at top.
Giving news links to "Commodore International Corporation"
Which, in turn is located in California.
With me so far?
ok.

When you click on "company", you then get information leading you to believe this is "Commodore Asia Holdings Limited", since that's what erm...appears.

The other news link wants to talk about "Asiarim Corporation (OTCQB Symbol: ARMC) ("Asiarim") announces that its subsidiary, Commodore Licensing B.V. ("Commodore") in the Netherlands" (etc)

still with me?

And no, we've still not gotten to C=USA, AI, or Tulip Benelux yet! Not to mention the "other Commodore companies"

Yes, I can see how this is all getting more clear by the moment.

Ah wait...in the .pdf from "International" Asiarim is being quoted as "we are thrilled to be working with "Commodore". ok. time out. WHICH Commodore?
Oh...and can one...just ONE person instead of being "thrilled", "ecstatic", or whatever, just be "pleasantly pleased" or "mildly amused".

I'm sure glad I didn't drag the Yeahronimo vs Tulip war or Nedfield into this.
Thankfully that kept it simple.
Oh wait..Yeahronimo was C.I.C. at that point so...nevermind.

[/end humor]

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Mr. Ben van Wijhe, President and CEO of Asiarim :
"We will be launching our new line of core products under the Commodore brand soon. However, in recognition of the many 'Commodorians' that grew up with the C64 and who are still active in the playing field of this iconic product of the '80s, we felt compelled to re-introduce the Commodore C64 in the original form factor. We have been looking for a reliable partner and have entered into a limited licensing agreement with Mr. Barry S. Altman, President & CEO of the Licensee, to re-launch the Keyboard Computer under certain conditions, whilst Asiarim will remain focusing on developing and distribution of Commodore's core product line of notebooks, a series of desktop all-in-one computers, as well tablet and mobile (smart phone) devices."

"Commodore USA, LLC is an independent third party and has no affiliation or association with Asiarim and other Commodore companies other than the limited brand license agreement for the Build-in Keyboard computer. "

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To understand why they spend so much money on advertising, you can read the full announcement:


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NEW YORK, NY--(Marketwire - September 24, 2010) - Asiarim Corporation (OTCQB: ARMC) ("Asiarim") announces that its subsidiary, Commodore Licensing B.V. ("Commodore"), in the Netherlands has entered into a Trademark Licensing Agreement for Build-in Keyboard Computer with Commodore USA, LLC ("Licensee"), an independent third party unrelated to Asiarim and any members of Asiarim.

The Trademark License Agreement grants the Licensee the right to manufacture, market and distribute Build-in Keyboard Computer ("Keyboard Computer") and certain accessories for this type of computer, under certain terms and conditions and all subject to the approval of Commodore. The License Agreement is for an initial period of approximately 3 years, provided that certain financial and sales commitments are met, and can be renewed subject to fulfillment of certain sales targets and financial commitments.

With the introduction of the Keyboard Computer, the rich heritage of C64 will be revived which has been initiated and maintained by many user groups around the world. In response to a long desire and numerous requests from these user groups, Commodore decided to grant a limited licensing agreement to the Licensee for Keyboard Computer for the revival and re-introduction of the traditional retro product in the original form factor of Commodore 64, equipped with the latest technology and features.

The revival of the iconic Keyboard Computer in the original form factor is one of the steps in Asiarim's strategy to launch a new exciting line of computer products under the Commodore brand name. A complete product line of notebooks, all-in one desktop PCs, 7, 10 and 11.6 inch tablet computers will be introduced before the end of 2010. Furthermore, Asiarim is focusing on its mobile product gaming strategy, concluding alliances for a new line of mobile handheld devices and smart phone products -- all featured with easy to use mobile applications and direct online access for instant social networking functionalities using the Android Operating System.

Mr. Ben van Wijhe, President and CEO of Asiarim, states, "We will be launching our new line of core products under the Commodore brand soon. However, in recognition of the many 'Commodorians' that grew up with the C64 and who are still active in the playing field of this iconic product of the '80s, we felt compelled to re-introduce the Commodore C64 in the original form factor. We have been looking for a reliable partner and have entered into a limited licensing agreement with Mr. Barry S. Altman, President & CEO of the Licensee, to re-launch the Keyboard Computer under certain conditions, whilst Asiarim will remain focusing on developing and distribution of Commodore's core product line of notebooks, a series of desktop all-in-one computers, as well tablet and mobile (smart phone) devices."

Mr. van Wijhe further added, "We are excited about the initiative of Mr. Altman and we are waiting for the initial prototypes of the Build-in Keyboard Computer for review and product Quality Control approvals. We expect that after this, the product will be ready for distribution to consumers according to the proposed specifications and terms. Commodore Licensing B.V. will follow up with the Licensee regarding the Keyboard Computer products so that it complies with the License Agreement and our USA office in California will also initiate and encourage collaboration within the Commodore group of companies to support the Keyboard Computer product distribution."

Commodore USA, LLC is an independent third party and has no affiliation or association with Asiarim and other Commodore companies other than the limited brand license agreement for the Build-in Keyboard computer.

About Asiarim Corporation:
Asiarim Corporation (OTCQB: ARMC) is a Nevada corporation. The Asiarim Group holds the worldwide rights for the "Commodore" trademark and its subsidiaries are in the business of developing and distribution of computer and mobile products under the Commodore brand as well brand licensing to authorized parties.

Additional information on Asiarim or Commodore can be found at its website at www.commodorecorp.com


Source:
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/rel_us_print.jsp?id=1324494

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@linnar

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Why not bring the full announcement:


erm..you didn't.
See the bit at bottom?
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Additional information on Asiarim or Commodore can be found at its website at www.commodorecorp.com


That's the "full" announcement, including what was listed elsewhere as a cautionary note. On their site listed as "forward looking statements".

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As I posted earlier, it seems that Asiarim propose to build a chain of suppliers around the world. All will be known as Commodore + probably the country's / continent's name. All shall be independent and be owned by someone else. Everyone will be able to sell their own designed models after they are approved by Asiarim.

Thus CommodoreUSA own Amiga not an Asiarim product even if it is manufactured in their channels. PC64, meanwhile, Asiarim-product that must sell in a number of bestämmt CommodoreUSA.

the only Commodore owned by Asiarim directly commodore corp in the Netherland.

This föreatagskonstruktion are very flexible with great access to a diversity of products. Corporate chain becomes less vulnerable to economic crises and the like.

This could be really exciting and fun to follow!
Hope it goes well!

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@number6

Quote:

That's the "full" announcement, including what was listed elsewhere as a cautionary note. On their site listed as "forward looking statements".


I apologize!
I missed it!


Hope you survive ...


(Actually, I thought of nimrod7 posts. I did not even read your post)

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@linnar

Heh. no problem linnar.

Here's a boatload of information about Asiarim, if you're interested.

Quote:
ASIARIM CORP - FORM 10-Q - May 20, 2010


http://www.faqs.org/sec-filings/100520/ASIARIM-CORP_10-Q/

Quote:
ASIARIM CORP - FORM 8-K - October 26, 2010


http://www.faqs.org/sec-filings/101026/ASIARIM-CORP_8-K/

(seems to want that last slash to work)

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@number6

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number6 wrote:
@linnar

Heh. no problem linnar.

Thanks it was nice to hear .

Quote:

Here's a boatload of information about Asiarim, if you're interested.

http://www.faqs.org/sec-filings/100520/ASIARIM-CORP_10-Q

There should be something out for 3rd quarter.
#6


Link does not work ...

EDIT:

OK! I saw your edit.

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@linnar

You can get even more info from google with search parameters:
"Asiarim Corp".

You have a lot of reading to do. heh.

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I agree.
What's the point?
Just ignore.
Of course unless you have nothing else to talk about

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