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Akiko 
Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
Posted on 24-Oct-2010 11:34:54
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@Dragster


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For those looking for news, Ben Hermans confirmed the forthcoming release of AmigaOS4.1 for PPC-equipped "classic" Amigas before the end of this year.



Very good news

Any mention of native Radeon drivers?

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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i'd like an announcement for os4 update with lots of tasty details and screenshots ..
(the details mentioned in previous posts are looking cool already new shell, new prefs .. i want more :)
report of port progress on x1000 and sam460 too
details on the next timberwolf release too
maybe some app tests on the x1000 to see how much punch does it packs

so far the news that transpired from amiwest 2010 are scarce
hopefully in the coming days we'll have amiwest reports

hungry for os4 news ..

Last edited by freeaks on 24-Oct-2010 at 12:39 PM.
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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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@freeaks

It take it 4.1 would be a chargeable upgrade to 4.0?

I don't know how many people would bother, given that the lighter 4.0 was by all accounts (note: I've never used it myself) a little on the slow side.. as in slow to the point of uselessness.

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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I am glad they do such an update (I mean 4.1 for classic). I think it will not take much time from them, and it is a great consideration for actually the biggest user base (sure there are more classic ppc boards than Aones + sams out there). Thanks Hyperion!

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i'm mainly interested in NGs for myself (sam/x1000) but i think it's nice for the classic users ..
can't wait to hear the details of the new update.


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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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@Stephen_Robinson
current version of os4 is bundled with purchase of capable hardware.
if you buy os4 hardware, you'll get os4 version that's made for it.
iirc only major updates are charged for, like os40 -> os4.1 all the updates inbetween are free
apple and windows do the same i think.

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4.1 4 classics? i cant confirm the 4.0 was too slow so it might work actually, but i personally dont think i will upgrade anymore. others might have fun with that

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
Posted on 24-Oct-2010 13:52:13
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@Dragster

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Dragster wrote:

For those looking for news, Ben Hermans confirmed the forthcoming release of AmigaOS4.1 for PPC-equipped "classic" Amigas before the end of this year.

Great news, happy to hear this announced.

Quote:
He didn't mention if it's going to include all the features that the current version for the "next gen" machines have

Well, at least the hardware does pose some limitations on what would work on a classic, I suppose.

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One more thing though not official news, it seems they are working on an update for AmigaOS4.1, Steven Solie had a developer version of AmigaOS4.1 running on his SAM 460EX machine

Not intending to dampen your hopes, but don't forget that Steven was running on the 460, i.e. he had to use a version of the OS which has support for it. And obviously this means the latest (or at least a recent) beta.

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Oh, one more thing... our good friends, the Frieden Bros. brought the X1000 (serial # 1 LOL!), one interesting thing I saw in it was a shell window with scrollbar and tabs, let's hope all these new features are included in a new update soon!

Again, also the X1000 requires a recent beta version of OS4.x with support for the machine.

"They" are "always" working on an update, in the sense that bugs get fixed and enhancements implemented - and both tested - on a more or less ongoing basis. This is no secret, it can be read from a number of posts in the web fora. E.g. it is public knowledge that there is a new shell/console in development, and that this has been going on since way before Update 2 was released; many had hoped for it to be part of Update 2, but it took more work and testing. The same is true for e.g. USB 2.0.

But of course it could be taken as a good sign that Steven - one of the central developers - deems it reasonable to let the latest beta be seen in public. (And no, as a mere beta tester I don't know any more than you about any release plans, and if I did, I'd probably have refrained from even writing this much for fear of spilling NDA'ed knowledge ).

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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The question is: will Timberwolf (Firefox 4) work on A4000/A3000/A1200 PPC?

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Oh, one more thing... our good friends, the Frieden Bros. brought the X1000 (serial # 1 LOL!), one interesting thing I saw in it was a shell window with scrollbar and tabs, let's hope all these new features are included in a new update soon!

does it really beats 68k vnc-shell functionality after all these years?
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But of course it could be taken as a good sign that Steven - one of the central developers - deems it reasonable to let the latest beta be seen in public. (And no, as a mere beta tester I don't know any more than you about any release plans, and if I did, I'd probably have refrained from even writing this much for fear of spilling NDA'ed knowledge ).

all these news concern minor issues. isnt there anything noticeable to report?

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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@andres

imho there's no reason to think timberwolf won't run on classic.
it's an os4 program so it will run on all hardware running (an up to date) os4.
the only issue for classic user would be speed i reckon (csppc runs at 233mhz ...)
hopefully the hyperbrothers will work their magic on it to make it usable even on classics

@nbache
indeed usb2 and the shell improvements coming around were known already.
but any news, progress report, and such is still welcome..

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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actually the biggest user base (sure there are more classic ppc boards than Aones + sams out there

You sure about that? How many people are still using Classic PPC systems? Even if they sold more at the time, probably most are stored in the loft (never to be used again) or else in a rubbish tip by now...

And I'm not sure why anyone would still be using a real Classic system, except maybe for games. Emulated is less hassle, although it doesn't support PPC of course.

@wawa Quote:
all these news concern minor issues. isnt there anything noticeable to report?

I personally wasn't expecting any big announcements, as there's no guarantee that AmiWest happens to be at a time that conincides with Hyperion being ready to report anything big. Most probably they'll announce stuff When It's Done (tm).

Not that I wouldn't be chuffed to hear some big news!

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With the discussion on OS4.1 for Classics, I think it is a great idea, but it would be even better if somebody could reproduce ppc accelerators for Classic Amiga's as the second hand ones are prohibitly expensive. I for one would love to upgrade my A3000 to PPC and run OS4.

I am sure that the reply will be to expensive to produce but there must be a market for say A1200 and A3000/4000 cpu modules with the added bonus of a license for OS4. Of course I could just buy a Sam or an X1000

But part of my hobby is trying to find a cool use for my cherished and still working well hardware like my A3000.

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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This means Voodo and AGA drivers will be back or that classic PPC people need Radeon? PPC 604 optimized version, will be interesting to see how it will work, however OS 4.0 default look there will be handy for speed

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@freeaks

Classic version is only exception. However, since 4.0 was freely avail just for A1, and SAM and Peg soon got 4.1 only, it would be nice if it would be some difference/upgrade price (people already paid 4.0)

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
Posted on 24-Oct-2010 14:15:57
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@freeaks

Quote:
freeaks wrote:

@nbache
indeed usb2 and the shell improvements coming around were known already.
but any news, progress report, and such is still welcome..

Of course, and as I said, I wasn't intending to dampen anybody's hopes. Only to maybe warn against jumping to too many unconfirmed conclusions .

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
Posted on 24-Oct-2010 14:21:39
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@vox

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@freeaks

Classic version is only exception. However, since 4.0 was freely avail just for A1, and SAM and Peg soon got 4.1 only, it would be nice if it would be some difference/upgrade price (people already paid 4.0)

OS 4.1 for AmigaOne was also full price, wasn't it? And in comparison, Windows 7 isn't any cheaper to buy for an existing computer which already has XP or Vista, is it?

Note, I'm not debating whether or not this is reasonable, just stating it.

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freeaks 
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Posted on 24-Oct-2010 14:23:48
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@nbache

you dampened my hopes ! now it's too late (/me presses report button ;)

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Posted on 24-Oct-2010 14:39:50
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@pavlor

Apple ports Snow Leopard to G3
Microsoft ports Windows 7 to i286
Hyperion ports AmigaOS 4.1 to Amiga Classic

One of three didn't realize that the world changes constantly in one direction.

Looking backwards never was really innovative.


And why is that a bad thing? I would think it would be a good thing not having to add extra code or cut features in software to have it run on 4.0?? The more platforms 4.1 is ported to the better i would say.

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Posted on 24-Oct-2010 15:06:15
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clusteruk wrote:
With the discussion on OS4.1 for Classics, I think it is a great idea, but it would be even better if somebody could reproduce ppc accelerators for Classic Amiga's as the second hand ones are prohibitly expensive. I for one would love to upgrade my A3000 to PPC and run OS4.

I am sure that the reply will be to expensive to produce but there must be a market for say A1200 and A3000/4000 cpu modules with the added bonus of a license for OS4. Of course I could just buy a Sam or an X1000

But part of my hobby is trying to find a cool use for my cherished and still working well hardware like my A3000.



With you 100% of the way there Steve.

I think OS4.1 on Classic is a good idea.

Rude!

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