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delshay 
Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 25-Oct-2010 13:29:24
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i like to point out that it maybe possible to run Timberwolf on classic amiga, it seems it all comes down to the amount of memory available as some classic PPC cards have being updated and maybe fast enough.

i hope it contains 3D drivers for Bvision/Cvision.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 25-Oct-2010 13:38:31
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Ah, yes. That. I presume this means that the accelerator actually physically replaces the 68k on the Classic Amiga's motherboard? Like I said, I don't know much about these accelerators.


It doesnt physically replace your 68k but the original 68EC020 runs only at 14MHz and you have got only 2MB chip ram with it. It is enough for pre-1995 gaming but not enough for using OS3.


two of my A1200 motherboards and *one test* motherboard has Freescale ( a real 25Mhz ) 68EC020 plus FPU onboard awaiting to see if its possible to upgrade the A1200 motherboard processor to 28Mhz.

link http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=3350

enjoy

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 25-Oct-2010 14:29:58
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@nubechecorre

If you had trouble installing any subsequent update you can ask us, we can probably help.

As for Mediator PCI support, really you should be looking to Elbox. It's their hardware and they really should be providing OS 4.x compatible drivers as they do for 3.x.

If Elbox wants to sell more Mediator boards it's in their interest to provide drivers.

The fact that Hyperion has supported Mediator at all is a nice gift from them and we shouldn't complain to Hyperion about that. E-mail support@elbox.com.

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@HammerD

i tried everything to update amiga os 4.0 and not only me, just look to amigans.net..

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@nubechecorre

Well if you describe your problems to me and tell me what hardware you have, I can try to assist you.

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@HammerD

support for mediator is a nice a gift from hyperion? as far as i have been informed by elbox they were commissioned to write w3d drivers, and paid! and if you mean os4.0 p96 and pci drivers for mediator then this is one of the most suitable target platforms as long as long as classic is concerned. if you call this a gift you can call every commercial software a gift.

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@wawa

Mediator is a 3rd party piece of hardware and you can't expect Hyperion to write ALL drivers for every piece of hardware out there.

Sure, they have written their own support for it, as it does greatly enhance the usage of OS 4 on classics, and you could say it is a requirement to use a PCI bus system, (but it isn't), but still, Elbox has a suite of 3.X drivers and they never wrote a single OS4 driver for their system and for their own customers.

So yes, it's very nice Hyperion have written their own support for the Mediator, but you can't expect them to write ALL drivers for this 3rd party add-on. Hyperion and the OS4 developers have written OS4 drivers for many graphic cards and the RTL8029 network card to work on the Mediator, but really, come on. You can't expect them to be able to write drivers for all possible cards that may physically fit into a Mediator.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 25-Oct-2010 18:02:22
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@HammerD

i don't want to create a war in this thread but i'd like to point out that all the classic hardware for hyperion is a third party hardware as Hyperion doesn't realize any hardware on classic machines.. all the classic machines are Commodore machines so where is the difference between an amiga 1200/4000 with Picasso Board or Phase5 Board and Elbox's Mediators?

Hyperion is a software house and if it decides to create a software that run on a specific hardware, well this software should support all the hardware available.. I do not understand why they decided to partially support the Mediator Bus Board..

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 25-Oct-2010 18:13:05
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@nubechecorre

I don't want to start a war either. I just think you're coming at this from the wrong angle.

Microsoft doesn't write drivers for all the possible computers or hardware Windows will run on. I just think you're expecting too much if you expect Hyperion to write drivers for all possible hardware or all add-on cards that could go into a Mediator. They have a solid set of core drivers, allowing users graphics and network capabilities via the Mediator. It's up to 3rd parties to supplement that.

Ask yourself why has Elbox not written a SINGLE OS4 compatible driver? Certainly it would be in their best interest to do that--they could sell more Mediators.
So I really wonder why they haven't?

I will end this discussion now but I will just say that I am very happy and grateful to Hyperion for giving us classic users an update. God knows this hardware is old and really they can't expect many sales from it, so I see it more as a gift and a good-will jesture to the classic amiga users.

Let's leave it at that and be happy we will be able to run the latest AmigaOS release on our old classic hardware.

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@HammerD

these 3rd party addons opened them the classic market in the first place. i doubt os4 makes much sence here but it wouldnt run without a pp5 ppc board and would be insanely limited if not for mediator board. where are all the many zorro or clockport expansions supported by os4 drivers? most of them are pci of course.

elbox provides a number of 68k drivers of which some work under os4. obviously 68k was their primary market. nevertheless i dont see elbox drivers supplied with mediator as a "nice gift" but a product. correspondingly i dont recognize what kind of charity it is if hyperion provides drivers for their os. or do perhaps the users should write them themselves?

os4 classic sells generate income. i have paid for my copy. it isnt charity its commerce.

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@HammerD

OT

But are you Daniel?? if so, i have just bought your remote desktop program ))

/OT

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@wawa

Did Commodore write drivers for the Elbox Mediator? No. See my point.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
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@nubechecorre

Darren, but yes, rdesktop :) I didn't write it but facilitated and coordianted the release. You can see on my web page http://www.hd-zone.com ;)

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 25-Oct-2010 18:40:21
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@HammerD

Probably because Commodore didn't exist and hadn't done so for six years when the Mediator first was announced? :P

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@Channel_Z

LOL, ok true enough, you got me. Amiga Inc. KMOS, Haage and Partner, or whoever had the rights to the OS at the time. I don't know who it was.

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@HammerD
sorry.
i see every further discussion is pointless. have fun.

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Posted on 25-Oct-2010 18:55:09
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Hey Amigans, I propose to contact Elbox publicly from this site and ask questions about Shark PPc and suport for OS 4.1 ...
Make some kind of interwiev with them and stop speculations.
If they have some plans and prototayps to show it is about time to do that.
Cooperation with Hyperion etc?
Can you do that Amigaworld?

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 25-Oct-2010 18:57:24
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@wawa

Agreed.

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Can you do that Amigaworld?


The person you should contact before going any further with this is:

http://amigaworld.net/userinfo.php?uid=4703

#6

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@number6

I dont go any further, this is it, publicly on community site, questions for Elbox and Amigaworld.
We can see now capacity of this site and costumers info for Mediator owners and potencial owners. So no one can't lose.

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