@Tomas

Unfortunately AFAIK development of OWB for OS4 has ceased.

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@1Mouse

development of OWB has ceased, not just for the OS4 port

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@Derfs

That's unfortunate.

So as from now there are no further improvements for ANY Amiga browser, it's just a case of wait and see what TimberWolf has to offer.

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@Derfs

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development of OWB has ceased, not just for the OS4 port

Nothing stops you from continuing your work one upstreams goes to fishes. You don't have to look further than Fab's port. The beauty of open source.

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@opi

i dont see what that has to do with OWB being dead, but ok. Its true there is nothing stopping coders from using webkit code for a browser.

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@Derfs

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i dont see what that has to do with OWB being dead

If you have source code it's not dead. It's dead on OS4 because Joreg don't want to continue his work.

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@opi

ah, i get it now, however i dont think you are following me.

the OWB project at http://www.sand-labs.org/owb/ is no more, so any port for any OS is no longer possible.

that does not stop anyone from doing what they did, and syncronizing with WebKit going forward, which is what Fab is doing.

this is also one of the reasons why Fab is looking to change the name of his browser from OWB to something else.

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@Derfs

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the OWB project at http://www.sand-labs.org/owb/ is no more, so any port for any OS is no longer possible.

Sure it is. Anyone can continue OWB on any plattform, that's, as opi said it, the beauty of open source.

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@zerohero

i dont see where the 'open source' parts are coming into it tbh. whether code is open or closed if there are no developers, its not going to be developed.

no one is continuing OWB dev, not for around 6 months. im not talking about ports to any OS, just the main dev team not doing any work on it.

maybe i should not have said "no longer possible", and instead "is pointless" as no bugs or updates will happen.

better to do what Fab is doing, and use the latest WebKit code, dont you think?

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@1Mouse

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1Mouse wrote: @Tomas Unfortunately AFAIK development of OWB for OS4 has ceased.

And this is why i think is so sad that firefox project has been postponed until v4.. We will end up having no updated modern browser at all when X1000 is released.

@Derfs

I'm still undecided about changing the name, but it's mainly because it's hard (for me) to choose a name. :)

Anyway, OWB being dead or not is a detail. As i probably already wrote in some other thread, OWB was nothing more than an example of a SDL implementation (useless for us now), an API cloning WebKit/win one, and a reorganization of the source files (causing more trouble than good when you have to update to a new webkit revision). But all in all, it's 99.9% WebKit.

The main job of OWB original authors was to add specific embedded features related to their company activity (TV stuff, useless to us) and synchronizing with WebKit regularly (i do it once per week or so, it's a bit boring but not very difficult). So even if they're gone, it's not a big issue.

OWB is really just a name, and what really matters is updating to newer WebKit versions and improving the browser UI. What's really dead is the motivation of the OS4 porter, as far as i can see.

@opi
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The beauty of open source.

Regarding the WebKit core you're right - regarding MorphOS' OWB, I suppose being "open source" leads to nothing. Similar to MorphOS' Ambient being "open source" - nice, but irrelevant.

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@Fab

What about "Butterfly"?

@Fab

Now that I have had a MacMini forced upon myself () perhaps we could see if we could remedy the OS4 browser situation..?

How much MUI4 dependencies are there really?

Which compiler do you use, 2.95 or 4.x?

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@Deniil715

MUI4 is used mainly for more advanced tab support, lists (using methods instead of the old construct/destruct/display hooks), and a couple things here and there. But some DOS, Exec and cgx extensions are also used in a couple places.

OWB is currently compiled with gcc 4.4.4. 2.95 would be painful in this case, since WebKit relies on recent C++ compilers.

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So as from now there are no further improvements for ANY Amiga browser

NetSurf is still developed! OK, so it lack JavaScript (for the moment), and frame support sucks, but otherwise it is a nice little web browser.

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@Fab
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What's really dead is the motivation of the OS4 porter, as far as i can see.

And we dont have much developers in first place.. Doubt we have anyone that is both capable and willing to take over that project.

The end story is the same.. We dont have a single updated browser that has modern features.

@ChrisH

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ChrisH wrote: @1Mouse Quote: So as from now there are no further improvements for ANY Amiga browser NetSurf is still developed! OK, so it lack JavaScript (for the moment), and frame support sucks, but otherwise it is a nice little web browser.

Too bad 90% of the sites crash it... The rendering is also very bad and slow compared to OWB, so i would not say it is useable for normal surfing yet.
I personally then even find ibrowse more useable since that one at least dosent crash on me after 2 min of surfing.

@Deniil715

I never forced you, it was a great opportunity ;)
And I like that you finaly thinking about porting Fab's great achievement ;-P

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@cha05e90

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regarding MorphOS' OWB, I suppose being "open source" leads to nothing.

This far, it has led to an initative of making Zune more MUI4-compatible, after which it should be easily portable to AROS (and AmigaOS, with Zune port). And while the whole OWB doesn't compile on AROS, I wouldn't be surprised if they still managed to "borrow" some functionality. Of course the same could be done with AmigaOS4 (and 3) versions aswell, only thing missing seems to be some developer willing to do that.

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Similar to MorphOS' Ambient being "open source" - nice, but irrelevant.

It's highly relevant. Since it was opened, new developers picked up the development, and have done lots of enhancements and bugfixes to it.

Although sure, a lot of that is done by core devs (who might or might not have had access to closed source version)

In the case of OWB (in its original version, not fab's version) I don't think there's much use "picking up", as you can just use webkit directly. While OWB might make some things easier, as fab explained, it also makes other things harder.