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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
Posted on 11-Dec-2010 4:27:12
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@samo79

Once again my point is missed I am not trashing Joergs work I am saying we need it furthered beyond this point as we need something whilst we wait.

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@samo79
Is the source available anyways? In case someone else feel like continuing the project.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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@Tomas

Part of the code is on Sand-Labs site, but the latest code i think are only in Joerg's hard disk

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np

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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I can think of other suitable words other than troll to describe you


Putting a stupid emoticon after saying something like that doesnt make it ok.. Maybe I should try that.

I can think of a word like "no life loser" for you!

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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Don't flatter yourself I haven't seen anything showing that you have the ability to think. I would guess on either a drunk looser or a really sad person who can not make himself heard, gets angry about it and shows it in an aggressive way at this site. Either way the joke is on you. Do you want to know why? The way you describe me only fits on the description of you, not me. I guess that's hard for you to take too. Poor little noone.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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@thread

The name calling stops now. One more post of this and there will be at least a 7 day posting restriction. This includes everyone.

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@zerohero

This is the most healthiest thread ever made. Why do you want to shut a thread that actually can lead to some understandings between the sides? Ignorance is blizz? Read what Cammy have written in this thread. She is so right and you prevents things to go forward.

We cant stop evolution and we need this kind of threads in this community. They are healthy because Amigans will always discuss as this until there is a right sollution to it and thats not to close off threads like this. If they included threats or any other personal attacks I agree. By shutting down such threads, you at aw.net leads this sort of threads into an negative way.

Many have good comments in this thread. You have to understand that Amiga is Classic Amiga, AmigaOS4, MorphOS and AROS. That means users from all of these parts joining together on this site and I am sure everyone wants the bridge to be built. By closing such debates like this is not helping it.

Amiga Makes It Possible, so do this thread.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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Bah! I only said the name calling stops now, I never said I would close the whole thread. Where on earth did you get that from?

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@Tomas

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Is the source available anyways? In case someone else feel like continuing the project.

AFAIK Joerg has never made it available. Perhaps he's waiting for someone to step up and say, "OK I'll do it, pass me the sources please".

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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@redfox

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Did FAB and Joerg ever discuss any common goals for OWB?

Maybe the MorphOS version has some different features because FAB had different goals for the browser.


My goal is to have a relatively usable desktop browser from the WebKit engine, which means I have to implement all the UI side myself (preferences, download manager, adblockers, network manager, cookie manager, history, bookmarks, video player, fastlinks, completion, search, and much more...). This is of course quite some work, and it need a lot of time, especially when working alone on it.

Joerg's goal seem quite different: he thinks OWB/WebKit isn't worth more than an embedded device browser, and that it doesn't deserve any further development. That's why he didn't bother implementing much more than a web viewer with tabs, basically. In any case, I'm fairly certain the million WebKit users (including Safari/Chrome/whatever) don't share his opinion that WebKit is just an embedded device browser engine. :)

And no, there's absolutely no way we could work together, considering he has insulted my work several times (qualifying it as stupid) and also proved he didn't know anything about MUI (or any kind of UI) programming but yet blatantly trolled about it...

I could point you to the relevant links if amigans.net wasn't down at the moment.

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@Fab
No chance you could take over Amiga port if someone finds a way to get you some hardware?
Because it sure sounds like we could need a dev like you right now.

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Many have good comments in this thread. You have to understand that Amiga is Classic Amiga, AmigaOS4, MorphOS and AROS. That means users from all of these parts joining together on this site and I am sure everyone wants the bridge to be built. By closing such debates like this is not helping it.

I don't like to see threads closed simply as a "freedom of speech" issue. However, you don't build bridges by setting them on fire and this thread is just fanning the flames. Do you think that someone in the Linux/MSDOS/MAC community would bother to hack Amigans.net? No, I think it was likely someone from the Amiga community reacting to the vitriol emanating from threads like this one. Amiga is turning into the proverbial "Tower of Babel (babble?).

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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@Fab

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In any case, I'm fairly certain the million WebKit users (including Safari/Chrome/whatever) don't share his opinion that WebKit is just an embedded device browser engine. :)


Just a note, he consider only OWB as an "embedded device browser engine" not the WebKit core in itself, no matter if he is wrong or not

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Posted on 11-Dec-2010 17:57:02
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@samo79

I tried get OWB compiling I asked Joerg, he did not wont to help.

I have looked at FAB's source code for OWB, it has lots stuff that's different the source code is huge.

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@Trixie + Tomas

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AFAIK Joerg has never made it available. Perhaps he's waiting for someone to step up and say, "OK I'll do it, pass me the sources please".

I have sent an email to Mr. Strohmayer asking to get his latest sources. But I haven't gotten any answer yet. Maybe he's away at weekend. We have to wait longer and see. He have said he used his own way to compile it on cross platform. I don't remember did he say if he was using Windos or Linux. And I'm not familiar with C++ myself. So I don't know if there's much chances even with his sources.

So anybody else. Deniil to find time to try compiling MUI version ? Netsurf getting full java script support any time soon ?

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@Fab

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Joerg's goal seem quite different: he thinks OWB/WebKit isn't worth more than an embedded device browser, and that it doesn't deserve any further development. That's why he didn't bother implementing much more than a web viewer with tabs, basically. In any case, I'm fairly certain the million WebKit users (including Safari/Chrome/whatever) don't share his opinion that WebKit is just an embedded device browser engine. :)

And that comment shows you don't understand the difference between a html engine and browser GUI around it.

And Origyn Web Browser (OWB) was originally designed and made for small devices (cell phones) by Sand-Labs.

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Posted on 11-Dec-2010 18:38:25
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@Tomppeli

No, it means Joerg made this confusion, not me.

OWB target is embedded devices, but as you can see, even the OS4 port got rid of SDL deps and started to be an actual desktop browser (the original OWB is really very very basic, just a plain viewer, basically). So why stop so soon? There's absolutely no valid the OS4 port of OWB shouldn't have a download manager or anything else, just because the original SDL version didn't. And it's really a shame to be limited by the GUI when the engine is so modern.

Of course, if he got bored/tired with OWB development, it's totally understandable, but he gave several other bad excuses instead.


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@NutsAboutAmiga

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I tried get OWB compiling I asked Joerg, he did not wont to help.


And did he tell you why ?

@Tomppeli 

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So anybody else. Deniil to find time to try compiling MUI version ? Netsurf getting full java script support any time soon ?


NetSurf: The road to Javascript seems long :-/

http://wiki.netsurf-browser.org/Development_Plan

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Posted on 11-Dec-2010 19:01:04
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I started talking about setting up public SVN so every one work on the sources, he did not like that.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Ah ok, well maybe he just don't like the public SVN idea, now that Sand-Labs SVN is up we may ask him to upload his latest change there, then others can continue from it

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