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vox 
Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 14:41:51
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@Arko

Well, hoax seems to be complete:

A names of original Commodore Amiga computers will be used,
as well as Workbench name for the Ubuntu theme. Nice retro feel
that could be achieved by using Linux + AmiKit + licence for OS 3.9
would be more realistic. But let them do their job.

However, at list slightly different naming then original Commodore
computers would be most welcome (e.g. Commodore USA Amiga x3000)
since it also brings the question did Amiga Inc rights are for one All In One
computer and/or for orginal Amiga 500,2000,3000,4000 brands.Also, I can
suppose that more or less it will be a variable of one All In One model
with more RAM, hard drive etc. slight change of components.

However, while I am not good into trademarks, my understanding
is that Workbench 5 falls under Hyperion settlement as of Amiga OS 4
(its components) and beyond.

Also, alert to the moderators how to deal with this pre-realise marketing
and the future possibilities of flooding AW.net as CBM USA forum or promotion
having in mind previous voting

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 14:43:28
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@kamelito

There are three ways to go about it.

1. UAE on top of Linux.
You can run classic applications.

2. Style X-Windows to look like workbench
You can only run linux programs, and shell and start-up scripts are all linux.

3. API wrappers like WINE, you build lots of .so whit the same api used under AmigaOS, programs recompiled run using this new api, the api is then translates into native linux api’s.

Option 1 has been done before see
http://www.xamiga.net/

Option 2 has been done before see
http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/AmigaOS+4+style?content=114667

Option 3 This is extremely complicated and takes is a lot of work, there has been some failed projects before.

What usually happens is one man starts a project it does not quite work out, after some time people forget about it, or project just deftest to become something totally different.

http://www.atheos.cx/

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 14:55:10
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@vox

Quote:

vox wrote:
@Arko

...


Also, alert to the moderators how to deal with this pre-realise marketing
and the future possibilities of flooding AW.net as CBM USA forum or promotion
having in mind previous voting



We had a lot pre-release and vapour marketing here, I don't think the moderators should act in a complete different way to C=USA. If C=USA has bought the name license from the legal IP owner, they might have the same rights using them like any other company that has bought it.

Maybe there has nothing left that could be called "Amiga Spirit" Amiga was Hard- and Software, it was cheap and fast and there was a big community of users, artists and developers around it. No one who now including Natami or AROS could replace what has gone when this "Amiga Spirit" faded away.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 14:57:26
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@clebin

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@X86_Amigist
Yeah, like a band with none of the original members.
It's The Beatles! Mitch, Ricky, Simon and Baz!
Chris

LOL, i like the band analogy... let's get rid of the same old cars analogies

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 14:58:49
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@itix

Quote:

itix wrote:
@vox
Its use in competing product could be disputed but Workbench is not a trademark.

IIRC Cloanto acquired the rights to use "Workbench" in this context, then it could be an issue.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:02:01
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@Thom_Holwerda

I didn't write its ready, I said that it'll be the best approach.
I know its hard, I just think its the right path.

Kamel

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:03:30
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@kamelito

Quote:

kamelito wrote:
More info about Workbench 5.0 is welcome.

Judging by the "OS" description page (i read it before it's put offline) it's just a Linux distro with custom look and UAE (or AROS) + VICE preinstalled.
I believe it is VICE because they listed C64/128, VIC20 and PET as the emulated machines.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:06:20
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Posts: 93
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@vox

Quote:

vox wrote:
@Arko

Well, hoax seems to be complete:

A names of original Commodore Amiga computers will be used,
as well as Workbench name for the Ubuntu theme. Nice retro feel
that could be achieved by using Linux + AmiKit + licence for OS 3.9
would be more realistic. But let them do their job.

However, at list slightly different naming then original Commodore
computers would be most welcome (e.g. Commodore USA Amiga x3000)
since it also brings the question did Amiga Inc rights are for one All In One
computer and/or for orginal Amiga 500,2000,3000,4000 brands.Also, I can
suppose that more or less it will be a variable of one All In One model
with more RAM, hard drive etc. slight change of components.

However, while I am not good into trademarks, my understanding
is that Workbench 5 falls under Hyperion settlement as of Amiga OS 4
(its components) and beyond.

Also, alert to the moderators how to deal with this pre-realise marketing
and the future possibilities of flooding AW.net as CBM USA forum or promotion
having in mind previous voting


So on yours, Hyperion has rights to be publicly sponsored on this
portal and C=USA has not?

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:10:04
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Posts: 1693
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@damocles

If you're hoping for Anubis, you'll be sorely disappointed.

Can you see them taking a stock Chinese motherboard, a copy of a 1980s computer case, and then developing a brand-new, cutting-edge Amiga-like OS to run on it? No way.

If they manage anything more interesting than a re-skinned Ubuntu, I'll eat my hat. We'll be lucky if they bother to ask permission for the desktop background.

Chris

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:15:41
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@maz77

Quote:
it could bring linux os to more normal/home users


Two problems. There are already options for people who wants user-friendly Linux and CommodoreUSA couldn't build one if their life would depend on it. They are just awesomely incompetent.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:16:38
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@Thom_Holwerda

Quote:
Incredibly naive.


I should read whole thread before posting as Thom beat me to it.

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Tomas 
Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:22:17
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Joined: 25-Jul-2003
Posts: 4286
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@kamelito
If they are using the name workbench then they are breaking the law.
Workbench is a part of Amiga OS which hyperion owns now.

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Tomas 
Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:25:54
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@X86_Amigist
It is you who are stupid now.
Workbench is a part of Amiga OS. But i guess this again shows how unserious CUSA is that keeps misleading users and breaking the law. The people behind this company should be locked behind bars, as what they are doing is just theft.

AROS dosent even have anything called Workbench and yet you are using that name??
You people are a joke!

I hope cusa gets sued...

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:26:16
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Posts: 1719
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@clebin

Quote:
If you're hoping for Anubis, you'll be sorely disappointed.


It's not, but I *think* it's going to be something close to what was debated and dropped near the end of AnubisOS project. Again, let's wait to see it first, then slag it if it sucks.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:30:39
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@kamelito

htttp (with three 't') doesn't work very well...

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Tomas 
Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:32:42
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@Deniil715
Dosent even work if you remove the extra t ;)

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clebin 
Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:37:23
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Posts: 1693
From: Cardiff

@Tomas

Sorry Tomas - AROS does have a 'Workbench screen'. Like on AmigaOS, you'll see it written in the titlebar if you're using an application with no menus - the shell, for example.

Chris

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Tomas 
Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:43:58
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@clebin
Quote:

clebin wrote:
@Tomas

Sorry Tomas - AROS does have a 'Workbench screen'. Like on AmigaOS, you'll see it written in the titlebar if you're using an application with no menus - the shell, for example.

Chris

I thought it was called Wanderer or something along those lines?? If it has Workbench in it then they are breaking the law as well, which i doubt is the case anyways.

Either way big difference to use workbench as a name for a OS...

Last edited by Tomas on 13-Dec-2010 at 03:45 PM.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:48:22
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@Tomas

Quote:

Tomas wrote:
@X86_Amigist
It is you who are stupid now.
Workbench is a part of Amiga OS. But i guess this again shows how unserious CUSA is that keeps misleading users and breaking the law. The people behind this company should be locked behind bars, as what they are doing is just theft.

AROS dosent even have anything called Workbench and yet you are using that name??
You people are a joke!

I hope cusa gets sued...


If I am stupid, than you are stupid too....

Last edited by X86_Amigist on 13-Dec-2010 at 03:49 PM.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 15:49:42
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@X86_Amigist
I am not the one who is supporting some scam company that is breaking the law.

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