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AmiCygnix is too non-Amiga to be even considered as solution by MorphOS developers.

Maybe you should be more authentic and switch to AmigaOS then.

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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For example the post is missing details what are the advantages/disadvantage to using the NEW DOS Apis compared to using the FUSE apis, speed comparison ? upgradeability, cpu usage, multitasking saturation, bandwidth limitation - possible bottlenecks, hurdles overcome.


The filesysbox.library implements the FUSE api using the new AmigaOS vector port API as far as I understand it. You would use filesysbox to port a filesystem implemented with FUSE, but if you were writing a new filesystem / handler for AmigaOS you would use the AmigaOS API directly.

I'm not sure if documentation on that API is public yet or pending the next SDK update.



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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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I'm sure some one of your intelligence and experience must realise that filesysbox is an implementation of an API and thus no more linux than bsdsocket.library?

So I guess your trolling, I'd expect more from someone of your alleged credibility...

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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I'm sure some one of your intelligence and experience must realise that filesysbox is an implementation of an API and thus no more linux than bsdsocket.library?

So I guess your trolling, I'd expect more from someone of your alleged credibility...



Trolling, not really, I'm not that evil/mean-spirited, ruffling a feather (or two) at most ...

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And after having looked up the exact meaning of "ruffling feathers" even that sounds too harsh. But can't find the proper word. Somewhere between teasing, and irking I guess.
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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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I'm not sure if documentation on that API is public yet or pending the next SDK update.


If it isn't it can be generated from the source code using the autodoc command.

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Tomppeli wrote:
Maybe you should be more authentic and switch to AmigaOS then.


Don't use the word authentic, he can easily switch to 68k AmigaOS instead.

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You are perfectly right, nothing beats the original

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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I'm sure some one of your intelligence and experience must realise that filesysbox is an implementation of an API and thus no more linux than bsdsocket.library?

So I guess your trolling, I'd expect more from someone of your alleged credibility...



I hope I dealt with the trolling part.

About the matter at heart, I tend to disagree though, and I did a little more research prior to answering this one, just to be sure.

"no more Linux than bsdsocket.library".
Not sure you picked an adequate example. The Linux-crowd don't claim to be the fathers of this API/implementation. But I'm guessing that's not your point.

About FUSE: The idea of a filesystem in userspace does appear to originate in the GNU/Hurd project. FUSE however, the original implementation and the API has its roots in Linux.

filesysbox is a reimplementation, sure, but I don't think this fact alone cuts its Linux-rooted lineage (if this phrasing makes sense). If not for FUSE, there would not have been filesysbox in the first place, there would have been nothing to reimplement.

So I would be inclined to say that filesysbox is much more Linux than bsdsocket.library

Second, Hyperion adverts it as FUSE, clearly and unequivocally referring to the Linux roots.

And then there's the second component: ntfs-3g. One cannot deny the Linux lineage of that one

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PS: Thx/Kudos to the ones who helped me with the info & phrasing of this post, you know who you are

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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@jorit2

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"no more Linux than bsdsocket.library".
Not sure you picked an adequate example. The Linux-crowd don't claim to be the fathers of this API/implementation. But I'm guessing that's not your point.



Yes, I was completely aware of the irony of my choice of example api, but nit picking aside, it demonstrates the principle of a *nix API reimplemented and completely accepted as part of AmigaOS ( and friends).

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If not for FUSE, there would not have been filesysbox in the first place, there would have been nothing to reimplement.


That's true of almost any standard / API that didn't originate in Amiga land.

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Second, Hyperion adverts it as FUSE, clearly and unequivocally referring to the Linux roots.


If you implement an API why hide it's name. FUSE is available or a lot more than just linux these days. They didn't all change the name of the API either.

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And then there's the second component: ntfs-3g. One cannot deny the Linux lineage of that one


Hmm, a FUSE implementation of a Windows#? file system. From it's authors TUXERA Quote:
NTFS-3G is a stable, full-featured, read-write NTFS driver for Linux, Android, Mac OS X, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenSolaris, QNX, Haiku, and other operating systems.


You might have been better off with the ext2 file system as an example here

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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And then there's the second component: ntfs-3g. One cannot deny the Linux lineage of that one


Hmm, a FUSE implementation of a Windows#? file system. From it's authors TUXERA Quote:
NTFS-3G is a stable, full-featured, read-write NTFS driver for Linux, Android, Mac OS X, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenSolaris, QNX, Haiku, and other operating systems.


You might have been better off with the ext2 file system as an example here



All possible allegations of nitpicking aside:

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS-3G#History

"NTFS-3G forked from the Linux-NTFS project on October 31, 2006." <--- that's an offer

And: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.file-systems.ntfs.devel/2674/

(thx to "you-know-who-you-are")

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when i follow your argumentation, we still cannot browse the Web.....Mosaic cames from unix

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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when i follow your argumentation, we still cannot browse the Web.....Mosaic cames from unix


Hehe ...

The point never was that I had any objection (as if my opinion would really matter) against the (re) use of FUSE/NTFS-3G, .
The point was ... I took a little issue with the whining about the abundance of Linux related posts on certain fora, followed by a happy reuse of software coming from there (well, see the debate with broadblues about that one), and cheerin' about it. FUSE/ntfs-3g now, Cairo years ago, those being the ones that come to mind.

And it would not even have been that bad, if not for the way this release was handled, the IMHO somewhat childishly but carefully chosen wording, making sure NOT to mention that the filesysbox reimplementation was actually a Morphos endeavour, and then the debacle about the availability of the source-code, ... not to mention some other posts in this very thread.

It's not a first, they'll probably never change, looks like it's in their DNA, but that doesn't mean we have to like it, or approve of it, or be silent about it.

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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And it would not even have been that bad, if not for the way this release was handled, the IMHO somewhat childishly but carefully chosen wording, making sure NOT to mention that the filesysbox reimplementation was actually a Morphos endeavour, and then the debacle about the availability of the source-code, ... not to mention some other posts in this very thread.


Leif Salomonsson is mentioned as he is the original and sole author of the version 0.730 filesysbox.library which my version is based on.

I don't see why MorphOS team would need to be mentioned since they had nothing to do with this version of filesysbox.library, and any later versions where they may have been involved are strictly closed source.

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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And it would not even have been that bad, if not for the way this release was handled, the IMHO somewhat childishly but carefully chosen wording, making sure NOT to mention that the filesysbox reimplementation was actually a Morphos endeavour, and then the debacle about the availability of the source-code, ... not to mention some other posts in this very thread.


Leif Salomonsson is mentioned as he is the original and sole author of tthe version 0.730 filesysbox.library which my version is based on.

I don't see why MorphOS team would need to be mentioned since they had nothing to do with this version of filesysbox.library, and any later versions where they may have been involved are strictly closed source.


I stand corrected, thx !

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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by salass00 on 17-Feb-2014 9:29:44

Leif Salomonsson is mentioned as he is the original and sole author of the version 0.730 filesysbox.library which my version is based on.

I don't see why MorphOS team would need to be mentioned since they had nothing to do with this version of filesysbox.library, and any later versions where they may have been involved are strictly closed source.


Just for the record, this is absolutely correct in all parts :)

/Leif


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Just for the record, this is absolutely correct in all parts :)

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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Thanks for releasing filesysbox.library 0.730 source code under APL .

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Official AmigaOS Documentation Wiki

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Wow, a lot of real information! I have GOT to use the Create a Book function to have this available offline.

Thanks so much to the team.

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Great page with many useful informations - not only about current version of AmigaOS. Editors did really good work.

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