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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 25-Apr-2011 4:10:40
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I think you're getting Amiga OS4 mixed up with AmigaDE. If the contract had been delivered upon I don't see how it would have stopped MorphOS from being ported to the Pegasos.
MorphOS was always going to run on the Pegasos and MorphOS would have been OS4 if Amiga Inc and Ralph Schmidt had been able to come to an agreement. |
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 25-Apr-2011 18:15:42
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Rob wrote: @iggy
I think you're getting Amiga OS4 mixed up with AmigaDE. If the contract had been delivered upon I don't see how it would have stopped MorphOS from being ported to the Pegasos.
MorphOS was always going to run on the Pegasos and MorphOS would have been OS4 if Amiga Inc and Ralph Schmidt had been able to come to an agreement. |
That last part is quite true. Had Ralph and Bill come to an agreement then there never would have been a need for Hyperion's work. But there was an obvious difference of opinion on what rights Thendic had been assigned. The opinion you're quoting is Bill McEwen's and does not reflect the judgment of the court (which Amiga Inc sought relief from). Further, after the court battles Bill announced that the intellectual property had been transfered top KMOS which then transferred it to Amiga Inc. Delaware.
The real question (that has never been answered) is if Escom or Gateway never truly owned the rights to Amniga OS how could they be re-assigned. And Bill's contract with Gateway was a license for trademarks, not a contract transferring ownership of intellectual properties. Several other companies had licensed or even acquired co-author status on the Amiga operating system well before Amiga Washington had incorporated.
Amiga Inc.'s claim to ownership to AmigaOS is highly suspect and the court settlement between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion does little to clear up this ambiguity. Instead it just solidifies Amiga Inc's claim over OS3.1 and Hyperion's right to use 3.1 to develop 4.0 and beyond.
In a word, it is a shared agreement/opinion between both entities of questionable validity.
It would be a serious mistake for either Amiga Inc. or Hyperion to assume that they have a strong enough claim to this property to ever take another company to court over it. |
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 25-Apr-2011 18:50:16
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I think you're getting Amiga OS4 mixed up with AmigaDE. If the contract had been delivered upon I don't see how it would have stopped MorphOS from being ported to the Pegasos.
MorphOS was always going to run on the Pegasos and MorphOS would have been OS4 if Amiga Inc and Ralph Schmidt had been able to come to an agreement.
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I mean this with absolute respect, but your history and timelines are a bit lacking. AmigaDE predates MorphOS public releases and was indeed marketed as AmigaOS. Amiga Inc failed to deliver AmigaOS to Thendic/Genesi.
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 25-Apr-2011 18:53:21
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Paper you linked is from pre-Amino times (no AmigaDE...).
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and was indeed marketed as AmigaOS |
That was probably original idea - to base new OS on DE technology.
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but your history and timelines are a bit lacking |
He is not alone. |
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 25-Apr-2011 19:11:34
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Paper you linked is from pre-Amino times (no AmigaDE...). |
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amigade.html
In early 2000, Fleecy Moss indicated that Amiga DE was aimed at two markets. Although a great deal has changed since that time, it remains an accurate description of Amiga Inc's intent.
This handout was "confidential" when handed out 1 year prior to this above and IIRC it was indeed describing DE. I put confidential in quotes because no NDA agreements were signed. Everyone who attended the show got one.
I'll have to look back in my archives to see of the other pages mention AmigaDE by name.Last edited by redrumloa on 25-Apr-2011 at 07:12 PM.
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 25-Apr-2011 22:07:19
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This handout was "confidential" when handed out 1 year prior to this above and IIRC it was indeed describing DE. |
AmigaDE was born in Amino - outside Amiga.Inc. Your paper is from Amiga.Inc and describes its plans for Amiga NG. Considering this paper is from February 1999 it was created even before Amiga MCC cancellation. It has nothing common with later Intent based AmigaDE plans.
Plans of Amiga.Inc (Gateway2000) and Amiga.Inc (Amino) seems to be similar, but not the same. You probably misunderstood the difference between both projects.Last edited by pavlor on 25-Apr-2011 at 10:09 PM.
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 25-Apr-2011 22:18:11
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AmigaDE was born in Amino - outside Amiga.Inc. Your paper is from Amiga.Inc and describes its plans for Amiga NG. Considering this paper is from February 1999 it was created even before Amiga MCC cancellation. It has nothing common with later Intent based AmigaDE plans.
Plans of Amiga.Inc (Gateway2000) and Amiga.Inc (Amino) seems to be similar, but not the same. You probably misunderstood the difference between both projects. |
I could be wrong, but that is not my memory on the subject. People who directly attended this event have described to me that this was indeed "confidential" about AmigaDE and the plans. I remember Amiga Objects which was basically the same concept as AmigaDE and was at the tail end of Gateway-Amiga.
Anyhow, this is interesting but WAY off topic. I've dug up a few other pictures. I will probably start a new thread so it is on topic and not OT like now.
-EDIT- Continued HERE
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 25-Apr-2011 23:07:28
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 26-Apr-2011 8:19:00
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The real question (that has never been answered) is if Escom or Gateway never truly owned the rights to Amniga OS how could they be re-assigned. And Bill's contract with Gateway was a license for trademarks, not a contract transferring ownership of intellectual properties. Several other companies had licensed or even acquired co-author status on the Amiga operating system well before Amiga Washington had incorporated.
Amiga Inc.'s claim to ownership to AmigaOS is highly suspect and the court settlement between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion does little to clear up this ambiguity. Instead it just solidifies Amiga Inc's claim over OS3.1 and Hyperion's right to use 3.1 to develop 4.0 and beyond.
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also from iggy: iggy #6 and iggy #12
Interesting thoughts, thanks.
Maybe it's quite easy: Hyperion Entertainment has (more or less) the rights for AmigaOS and this will be the base for further versions of AmigaOS.
Let's assume that AmigaOS has a great chance to become the major OS of the world - in that case some guys may claim this or that but hopefully then real Amiga (for instance Hyperion Entertainment and A-EON Technology) has enough good support to tackle them.
Real Amigans with rights will happily see AmigaOS prosper and give their right or a licence to Amiga for some money - no problem there.
If there is someone with a serious right who likes to hamper Amiga he'll get trouble (lawfully). If he has support from big guys (like MS), the case may escalate further ... maybe as far as Eurasia vs. USA (if you don't give us this you won't get that) and guess who will win. This may sound silly but if someone is not content with some Millions (for some stuff he hasn't done much for), there must be a reason.
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 26-Apr-2011 8:38:31
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Let's assume that AmigaOS has a great chance to become the major OS of the world |
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 26-Apr-2011 9:32:48
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Let's assume that AmigaOS has a great chance to become the major OS of the world
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well, it IS the major OS of the world, only no one knows this yet Last edited by nimrod7 on 26-Apr-2011 at 09:33 AM.
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 2-Jun-2011 13:10:16
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Since this thread started with the OP mentioning a thread on another site, here's another round of postings from Dave which started today on another site:
using nick @humantarget
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