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Shufflepuck 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 25-Oct-2011 8:53:26
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@eliyahu

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i am so tired of the negativity. there are less than ten people on these fora that, when i see their ID in a thread about a platform they don't use, i know exactly what they're going to say, why they're planning on saying it, and what the reaction will be. it just grates, you know?


+1

I really do not understand how these jaded individuals keep on frequenting these fora, it's like me posting on sushi message boards rooting for roast beef..

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@Shufflepuck

This OS4 powered netbook is great news but it won't make the haters shut up, I am sure of it.

I bet that someone will even complain that it doesn't come with a "proper" Cherry keyboard which makes that nice clickety noise from the '80s, just you wait and see.



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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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metalmac wrote:
@Troels

Yes, but if i havent understand wrong, the processor that everybody is talking about has 800Mhz as its upper limit, then it would be posible to order a moderboard with a 800Mhz processor wouldnt it?


The 5121e processor has its max clock at 400 MHz.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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Long live roast beef man !

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 25-Oct-2011 10:33:59
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What Eliyahu posted is exactly the reason, why I left for a year.

Not because stuff takes long time to grow (Natami, X1000, etc) in the Amiga community.

But this ####ty hating prevalent in so many of the threads on here.

We are a small community of people who like the Amiga, and like Eliyahu said, I couldn't care less as well about the quarrel some developers had in the mid 90ies over the future of the Amiga.


If the netbook gets real, and it's priced 300 to 400 Euros, I will get one.

Looking forward to see the faces of my coworkers (some of them used Amigas in their youth) when I put my Amiga Netbook on the table, regardless of how low it is on power.


And I would really love to see some Amiga branding on this. Boingball on the outside, Amigakeys, etc.

Do it, Hyperion!

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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As you can see from my post count I don't post very much, but I felt I should say a fey things now.

Firstly guys, get this in to perspective, it's a net book. It's not designed for power stuff, the X1000 and the Sam can do that ( or a pc/mac)

There are;
1. high performance netbooks e.g. 11 inch Alienware M11x i.e. upto Intel Sandybridge i7 and Geforce GT540M
2. medium performance AMD based C-60 and E-450 netbooks i.e. mostly due to Radeon HD DX11 GpGPU @ ~400Mhz.

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Secondly "if" it did have a high MHz CPU it would be more expensive and have a shorter battery life.
(SNIP)

If the target was 2 watts, 1Ghz ARM Cortex A9 based SoC says Hi.

It depends on processor's implementation e.g. AMD C-50/C-60** has 9 watts, while AMD Z-01*** has 4 to 5.9 watts and unreleased AMD Hondo has 2 to 4.5 watts. They are all fab'ed on TSMC's 40 nm process tech and clocked at 1.0Ghz.

**1.3Ghz CPU turbo or 400Mhz GPU turbo.
***2.9 watts "App power" for APU only.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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Looking forward to see the faces of my coworkers (some of them used Amigas in their youth) when I put my Amiga Netbook on the table, regardless of how low it is on power.
I just wait to do the same

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And I would really love to see some Amiga branding on this. Boingball on the outside, Amigakeys, etc.
so do I

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@Hammer

In response to yet another infodump courtesy of AMD's marketing department;

Fascinating.

And on a related topic, did you know that the N62 V8 engine from BMW comes in at 4799 cc and can provide 490Nm of torque at a compression ratio of 10:1?

@ddni

Interesting. Assuming the 5121e is the chip in question, it looks to me that pretty much the whole computer is on-chip. And at $23 per unit, the expected price-point mentioned by Hyperion looks realistic. Its good that they have managed to tap into the mass-production area of the market. Good for my wallet, anyway.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@T-J

Can't handle the truth? Don't blame me for microarchitecture incompetent PPC supporters.

Should I post a specfic ARM Cortex A8/A9 SoC and watch it murders embedded PPC SoC?

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@Hammer

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Should I post a specfic ARM Cortex A8/A9 SoC and watch it murders embedded PPC SoC?


Frankly, my good man, I don't care what you do.

As long as you do it somewhere relevant. Preaching the good news for ARM, AMD or BMW is inappropriate in a thread about a netbook that won't run on any of them.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@Hammer

None of this hardware is relevant though. It doesn't matter how powerful or efficient it is, we don't have access to it.

This netbook is to get bums on seats.
To do that they need something off the shelf, both for cost and time reasons. I don't know what the final spec is going to be, or what other options there will be further down the road but it's certain that they will go with the one that will make the most sense.

If the target hardware is 400Mhz and if it only cost a little extra to put in an 800Mhz part in then they would.
If it doesn't happen it's because the sums don't add up. Hyperion want to sell as many as they can, if they can do 800Mhz models at the targeted price then they will.

At the proposed price points these netbooks should grow the market. That will give Hyperion more revenue to pay wages and speed development. It will also grow the user base to make software development worthwhile for others.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@T-J
$23 / chip looks like a good price.... But it is dependent on sales >10000 units.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 25-Oct-2011 12:29:41
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@Flasheart

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Flasheart wrote:

None of this hardware is relevant though. It doesn't matter how powerful or efficient it is, we don't have access to it.


OK, OK, OK!

All this MHzzzzzzzz discussion is wearing a bit.

How about this? (Just as a service to my fellow Amigans.)

I'll get this netbook as soon as it is available. Then I'll test it for
3 or 4 months, write up a report, and post it here. While waiting......
you can read comic books and snack on sushi with a nice thick beef gravy dip.

Well then, are we all agreed?

GOOD!

Now we can all get back to our regularly scheduled program joined in progress.

(Pink! I think I'll order a pink one.)

Please standby.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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Could the partner be Dave?
An Italian company that provides solutions in the area of embedded systems. (JUST 80 miles from ACUBE too )

Their MPC5121 ARIA board looks interesting.

http://www.dave.eu/dave-cpu-module-mpc5121-aria.html






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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@steril606, eliyahu

You are both over-reacting IMHO.

In 15 pages, there has been a lot of praise for this move and nothing like the level of 'hating' that you portray. A few people are asking difficult questions, but it's hard to find anyone who hasn't said positive things. I don't know what was in the deleted messages, but that's one poster out of how many?

I see Hyperion finally pleasing a few sceptics. I personally think it's a big step in the right direction and I'm intrigued to know what resolution the VGA-out can support.

Loads of positive comments to be happy about!

Chris

EDIT: ...and then Hammer arrives... Oh well, I think his comments are a drop in the ocean really. I've participated in plenty of x86 threads but it's off-topic here. Ignore him.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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Well, it's Hammer, what do you guys expect?

I am always laughing about his hardware specs posts that don't do anything for the thread he is posting in.

Would love to meet him one day in real life, and have a conversation.

Must be thrilling...

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@clebin
You are right concerning this thread.

I was just talking generally.


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@ddni

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$23 / chip looks like a good price.... But it is dependent on sales >10000 units.


Tis true. That's always been the problem with our hardware, really. I am aware of Power Architecture chips at 800MHz levels that go for $10 each, but again only at 10k unit sales.

Hopefully this deal with an as-yet undisclosed OEM will allow total production of the machine itself to get above that figure. If the Amiga branded ones are identical to the OEM version, it wouldn't matter if Hyperion only sold a few thousand, the total run would be larger.

And that Dave thing looks interesting. And opens interesting branding options - the AmigaDave, anyone?

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@T-J

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And that Dave thing looks interesting. And opens interesting branding options - the AmigaDave, anyone?
Hmmm...Made by Dave eh?
Sounds fascinating.

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