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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 17-Oct-2017 0:47:37
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@TRIPOS

Note that the picture are in the Linux corner of the blog entry.
And the epigraph under the pics says: "Just your usual Linux desktops?"

Maybe a Linux desktop environment that mimics os4 look and behavior? Like a amiwm but on steroids

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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Note that the picture are in the Linux corner of the blog entry.
And the epigraph under the pics says: "Just your usual Linux desktops?"

Maybe a Linux desktop environment that mimics os4 look and behavior? Like a amiwm but on steroids



> "Just your usual Linux desktops?"

Yes, with a trailing question mark...

Why would anyone make a 32-bit Linux for a 64-bit system? Doesn’t make sense. All the others are 64-bit.
Why make it see and use only one of the two cores? Doesn’t make sense, the others use them both.
And why only 2MB RAM on a new Linux system?
And Kickstart, Workbench, MUI, Warp3D etc on Linux? What? Why?
And they all have relevant version numbers.
And they are in Commodores [version] [dot] [subversion] version scheme, instead of the Linux x.y.z
These are Amiga programn, like Dopus
And some (but not all) windows have MUI icons in their title bar. This suggests real MUI instead of a common icon/decoration on Linux windows.

If these things (apps and OS) would invisibly be running emulated inside a boxed environment on top of Linux (like in some “Alice” setup), it would explain all the things above. Except all the renamed things, which is still a mystery.

And why does the same sysmon (running inside the emulation box, since it is a MUI program and it reads all those kickstart, workbench, mui, warp3D version stuff) also report running on an AmigaOne X5000 instead of the boxed environment it runs within (like PowerUP)? Has PowerUP been switched to an X5000? Why would anyone undertake the job of emulating that? Could a P5020 be emulated accurately at 1995MHz anyway? And a Radeon HD 7900? Nah...

This being a parallel and de-branded “Amiga” OS running natively on an X5000 is kind of plausible IMHO...

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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Perhaps NoviaOS could be the result of the recent trademark battles. If Hyperion lose the right to the AmigaOS name trademarks, why not rename it NoviaOS? No one else, apart from wedding photographers, would battle over that name.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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I thought about that too, but just briefly. Perhaps even some “we’ll let you continue your OS4 development based on our 3.1 copyrights if you drop your claims on the trademarks in return”. But it doesn’t make sense. Cloanto has never threatened OS4 on copyright basis, why would they? It’s not within their interest, rather the opposite around, they like all Amiga efforts out of love and want it all to continue and live on forever. And remember that Hyperion has never actually owned any rights to any trademarks, and has done just fine with their “right to use” during all this time. I have seen no reason to think that the trademark issues are resolved, and I have seen no reason to believe that Cloanto wouldn’t allow them a continued right to use the trademarks with Cloanto as owners. Rather the opposite. Their whole call for “A Discourse on Possible Futures” is about inclusion and partnerships for a long term Amiga future, for everyone, where everything is on the table, including putting core IP (trademarks, copyrights, etc) under the government of an autonomous foundation untied to any specific company. They want all aspects of Amiga to live, forever. Including trademarks, and how they have been used. Incliding OS4, I’m quite certain of that. Cloanto is love, not hate and aggression.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=42002&forum=2


Another thought that struck me is if this is a parallel-developed OS by AeonKit? After all, it is them who has been funding development of all interesting things OS4 the last years, they already own key components, and what if they contacted all important unpaid OS4 developers directly to get their own parallel license/ownership of all the work that makes OS4? Minus all those names, of course.

Or maybe they bought the MorphOS 3.x PPC branch (and added OS4 stuff from their own IP portfolio), as MorphOS is about to migrate to 4.0 on different architectures? MorphOS is mature on X5000, having run on it for what, 2 years? 3?

Or AROS with AeonKit OS4 IP? Or Anubis? Or... or...

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...or it is simply joke. And good one.

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Could be...

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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@TRIPOS

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Another thought that struck me is if this is a parallel-developed OS by AeonKit?


Can be result of the enchantment package, anyway AEON is not in a position where they can push out OS on their own.

Anyhow it looks bit hacky to me, the text is strange, I was thing it might actually be horrible programing bug.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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@TRIPOS

Sorry, but you've posted entirely too many conspiracy avenues for me to put through my reality syphon for any comments. Heh.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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NoviaOS =Nov(i)aOS = something with nova?
in any way will be it a a-eon product ? if yes will be not for me.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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It's been suggested in a prior post that this is a joke.
I tend to agree with Cloanto's recent post here though, regarding their clarification over the Amiga Mini:

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Any news to the contrary are not only incorrect, but they are fueling tensions in difficult times. We are aiming for clarity, and we know that this is not the way to achieve it.


If an intended joke fuels tensions, then somehow the humor in that joke gets lost, does it not?

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I hope it’s a joke too. Unless the “marriage” is between the Amiga OS API and the Linux Kernel. In that case I could at least use that at work, with a bit of luck and imagination

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I hope it’s a joke too. Unless the “marriage” is between the Amiga OS API and the Linux Kernel.


What we can see is definitely Amiga OS4.1. Could Linux be in the background running a virtual machine that allows Amiga OS direct access to the hardware? Why is SysMon called Monsys? All we know is that Trevor does like giving us teasers with not much to go on.

Did anyone else notice that in both this and the A1222 beta screenshot, the RadeonHD driver is at 3.3? The rest of us have either 1.x or 2.x versions.

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@TRIPOS

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MorphOS is mature on X5000, having run on it for what, 2 years? 3?


Not really, its very much still a beta, although 3.10 should be finalized soon.
The video card drivers for everything above the R500 series only having been done in the last year.

Was an initial port shown? Yes.
Was it mature? No.

A much closer to mature port has been shown recently.

And as to speculation that the development team would sell MorphOS PPC, they didn't sell it to Bill, why would they sell it to Trevor?
Especially to see it skinned as an OS4 lookalike.
No, that is about as far off base as possible.

And the PPC fork? As the next revision will support the X5000, there will be at least one more revision before an X64 fork is released, and the PPC OS will still be there after that fork (although no longer a priority)...I don't see it disappearing.

Let alone being sold off as some kind of afterthought.

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@TRIPOS

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Warp3D -> Warp


And yet the revision number is correct for Warp3D from OS4.1FE.

Its OS4, why the changes?
Who knows.

But 'weird' is not unusual in the Amiga community (or drama for that matter).

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Why is SysMon called Monsys?

Because the Wonderland is behind the mirror?

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Why is SysMon called Monsys?

Because the Wonderland is behind the mirror?


No no, silly.

It's because the forthcoming change in ISA will be little endian so in big endian it has to be backwards to be forward. All clear?

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@Beans

Quote:

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MorphOS is mature on X5000, having run on it for what, 2 years? 3?


Not really, its very much still a beta, although 3.10 should be finalized soon.


AFAIK the necessary MorphOS drivers for X5000 support were written years ago. There is no reason to believe that these particular drivers haven’t been ready (now mature) for a very long time. And even though X5000 support will be introduced to the public with the next MorphOS version, it wouldn’t be true to say that 3.10 is about X5000. The X5000 is at best a parenthesis. Also, MorphOS is always a moving target under constant (asymmetrical) development between releases. Only at the time of a feature freeze, the final release specifications are decided upon based on what components are ready enough for consumers at that particular point in time, and then a version number is slapped onto whatever feature set that might be. All other developments are not included and is instead saved for a future release, when they have reached a stable, non-beta stage. In that sense, MorphOS 3.10 has never been in beta and never will be, since beta components would per definition never be considered as part of a release until they are deemed non-beta.

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The video card drivers for everything above the R500 series only having been done in the last year.


Video card drivers are not part of specific systems like X5000, they are platform agnostic and could very well be developed mainly for the MorphOS x64 migration.


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Was it mature? No.


Of course it wasn’t, as it is floating work in progress (containing work in various levels of maturity) and does not necessarily represent what you will actually get once they feature freeze and package a release out of it.

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@Rob

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What we can see is definitely Amiga OS4.1.


Which is why the “it’s a joke” assumption feels implausible. There simply is no humor there, nothing funny even by a stretch. Not even some April 1st joke, since it’s the wrong season for that, and again, nothing funny.

The context in which it was shown, "Just your usual Linux desktops?” (and then a picture of a de-branded OS4 among those Linux distros) instead suggest that a message of some kind is being communicated, though cryptic. IMHO, they want us to answer that question in our heads just the way you did: “No, not all of those are Linux desktops, the last one is definitely OS4.1, even though it doesn’t have those names we are used to. Names or not, it’s OS4 alright!”

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@TRIPOS

I have a feeling ... Linux x86 with gui amigaos theme and qemu ppc that run Amigaos apis
Like did by wine.

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