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TrevorDick 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 17-Feb-2014 9:49:18
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" if you are an Amiga software developer and would like a showcase to market your Classic or Next-Generation software to the Amiga community please send an email to: contact (at) a-eon.com"

TrevorD

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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@OlafS25

I think you forgot about the 2nd store which has been on AmigaOS for sometime now. Sure it doesn't process purchases, its all about free downloads and OS4Depot and encouraging donations from users to developers.

@TrevorDick

Good luck with the endeavour, I am sure its going to be difficult to encourage (being the key word here) developers to sell their software rather than give it a way for free.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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Maybe you should see it from a business point of view. What would Trevor gain, if he supports e.g. AROS? Does AROS do anything in regards of promoting e.g. the X1000? Or would it in case of Cyrus? How? With promoting "cheap" x86 platforms?

Sometimes people talk about OS4, as it would be the only one "dividing" the community.

Well, guess what, all "camps" are doing this.

A shop system supporting all platforms is definetly nice. But it is not the thing "saving" the Amiga as we knew it. We have three different systems now, and we should learn to live with this. I think that in the distant future the systems will divide even more, and the "all in one" shops will reduce to "just one".

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But it only runs on "AmigaOS" (=PPC)?

The other solution also runs (as example) on my distribution

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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I see it from a business view. A shop-system only supporting one platform is not helping the market as a whole. Such a solution is a necessity for commercial developers but I would have preferred one solution for all instead of two solutions (partly) competing (at least at the moment in this situation).

I do not talk about "AmigOS" "only one" dividing the community. There is much room for all camps to improve cooperation (to say it carefully) but in this case it is about a one-platform shop-solution. Trevor certainly has best intentions but he often look at everything too much with his "X1000-glasses". If the platform (and there I include all camps) wants to get a step forward we need more common solutions and not more "one-platform" ones.

"I think that in the distant future the systems will divide even more, and the "all in one" shops will reduce to "just one"."

That is a risky bet. By that (and it is partly already sadly the case) you force most developers to support only one platform because supporting more platforms is too difficult. What happens if most developers (and the new ones hopefully entering) decide for another platform. Then you are in the cold and die out.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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@TrevorDick

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" if you are an Amiga software developer and would like a showcase to market your Classic or Next-Generation software to the Amiga community please send an email to: contact (at) a-eon.com" TrevorD


So it is multiplatform .... eh? ("Next-Generation")
Unless developers do not want to be?

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OlafS25 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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He did not say that. Only that AmigaOS 68k might be also sold with it. Not that it runs on other platforms than AmigaOS PPC. At least I understand it this way up to now.

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And on another thread Pascal is asking if there is interest in Aeros PPC. Certainly it is not first priority on the short run but it is possible if there is enough interest.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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@OlafS25

I think that there is no "market as a whole".

AROS for example is a whole "market" for itself, considering how many hardware platforms are a target for it and how many "distributions" are out and will arise in the future.

MOS is more similar to OS4, but it´s a market for itself, too.

Cooperation is IMHO possible for software development itself (there is some coop already, although it´s plagued by envy already... divide...), but not for software "sales". Regarding money, it´s just a question of time until another "divide" shows up.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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Might be that there is interest for AerosPPC. That says what, exactly?

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this:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38698&forum=34#729222

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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we share (more or less) the same API. For a software developer a "market" is defined by how difficult it is to support the platforms. If camps would not (at least partly) make it more difficult than it must be than we would have more software for all camps. AROS is covering different hardware but basically it is just a recompile of the same sources to support all. That "should" be not only the case for AROS but for all camps.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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That is a risky bet. By that (and it is partly already sadly the case) you force most developers to support only one platform because supporting more platforms is too difficult. What happens if most developers (and the new ones hopefully entering) decide for another platform. Then you are in the cold and die out.


Hmm... where´s the problem? The shops for the other systems still are alive then. The "market as a whole" still exists. If there are most developers preferring the other systems except one, the users of the one system won´t get much new software anyway, the system´s dead then. This is no question of "how many shops are there", it´s a question of software and quality.

The risk is always there. A system could die out even if there is one shop for all. The "one for all" shop could die out because of mismanagement or lacking care for the developers (a big risk in "democratic" handling of business affairs). Lots of risks everywhere...

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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the risk is that it takes away enough sales to kill the other shop (worst case I do not expect). Yes there are always risks in life but you can maximize the risks.

As I said making the API partly artifically incompatible to other platforms is a kind of bet. You force developers to decide for your OS and against the others, that is a good choice (from business point of view) if you are a company like Microsoft who is big enough to force it on others. If you are not successful with it devs decide for the other choices and game over. MorphOS and AROS are much more similar because they share many common components and sources so it is easy to support both. That is not the case for AmigaOS.

I would hope for more cooperation and creating its own one-platform shop is at least no sign in this direction (sadly). Trevor is certainly mainly driving AmigaOS development so he cancertainly influence it.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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@OlafS25

Quote:
we share (more or less) the same API. For a software developer a "market" is defined by how difficult it is to support the platforms. If camps would not (at least partly) make it more difficult than it must be than we would have more software for all camps.


Well, we should stop here before I ask you some unconvenient questions about AROS lacking 3rd party software developer´s support and the reasons for this.

I get your point from an AROS user´s POV. But that´s not the only and only true POV, that´s the problem.

We could talk about it using PM or email, but I don´t think that it would be a good idea to discuss the camp problem here. It would derail the thread for many pages

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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ok lets continue with PM. I do not want to capture Trevors thread

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 17-Feb-2014 11:00:35
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@OlafS25

Nothing stops a developer from releasing there software to different shops.

Trying to combine all in one will result in:

* Will require the shop to filter out what is supported and is not supported by the running Operating System and CPU.
* More software to administrate.

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I assume that they will. It is good that someone like Trevor invests money in the platform but I would hope he would see the platform as a whole and not just one part of it.

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Nothing stops a developer from releasing there software to different shops.


Correct.

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Posted on 17-Feb-2014 12:44:36
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Well, in my mind, Trevor can only use his time on so much.

Too much fragmatation of a buissniss, and the core focus might suffer. Not sure if thats even close to the case or not. I just think that there is only 24 hours in a day etc, and prioities gotta be made.

What I do like about Trevors approach is that he goes all in. Very clean/efficient presentation of webfronts and overall as "professional" as you can expect for a small impact platform.
Its almost like is following a construction chart, building foundation for the future.

As for webstores getting "killed off". Well, not sure how that works, but I do know I only load up Origin on the PC when I want to play BF4. Steam starts automatically when I start my computer.
Its mostly used as a chat client, but obviously also used for shopping.

So if Trevor is very visible and vocal about his/their Amistore, then other shops might suffer.
Userfriendliness usually decides who lives and dies.
Again Origin vs Steam. Origin is slow and clumsy. Steam is relativly easy to use and good functionality.
If Aeon ever developed AmigaStore to "steamish" level, I dont see anyone being able to compete on AmigaOS platform.

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