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OlafS25 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 13-Oct-2014 12:37:03
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@tlosm

I read a discussion about getting Wine on Aros X86 (as idea). The problem is that it is heavily based on Linux so you would more or less rewrite it and the same would certainly be the case if it would be ported to AmigaOS or MorphOS.

Qemu+Wine? Never heard of that idea if it is possible and fast enough on PPC. The problem as I see it is if you run it in a blackbox you cannot access and integrate the applications like most here are doing it with 68k software on their PPC hardware.

I agree with you software, software, software is most important like now (I would also say getting modern development environments and modern class libraries another one)

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check here :
Qemu - user mode with wine on PPc

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1382096

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Is QEMU emulating a full system like VMWare or only the processor?

And can you launch it with one application or do you have to start the environment and then start the application inside?

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Qemu user emulating the bios and cpu ... all the other things are did by Wine.

runcript "windows program" and start the windows software like is native.

This things was did in past by darwine for MacPPC but was stopped the developing when apple switch to x86

this is darwine page in case

http://darwine.sourceforge.net/


Reactos use Wine too for windows compatibility

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I am no linux expert so I do not know what the requirements for Wine are. If you not base it on a Linux environment you have to rewrite everything. It is certainly possible but who does it?

That is how I understand your idea, to launch a adapted version of Wine with QEMU emulating i386. The adaption to AmigaOS would be the big problem.

You would need a full hardware emulation like VMWare but then would it be possible to integrate? Aeros has WINE but it is based on a linux environment.

Darwine is interesting but (besides being stopped) when you look at wiki page: "Mac OS-compatible version" that means they wanted to make a version that is able on run on Mac OS PPC.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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So you are saying that Escom Amigas are not so called "real" Amigas either then?


it depends. They dont have Commodore label. But they have the original Amiga chipset.

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Also all this talk of what's a "real" Amiga makes it seem like some kind of weird fundamentalist religion...


It is. Just throw a comment "AmigaOne is not real Amiga" and you face the anger of fundamentalists.

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Personally I don't give a shit what a so called "real Amiga" is so long as I can run AmigaOS (that is the Amiga Operating System) on my Sam460 (it runs AmigaOS and that makes it an Amiga in my book if not necessarily a "real Amiga" whatever that is).


Problem is many Amigans do not want weird companies like Genesi or A-eon or Amiga USA selling whatever PC as Amiga.

It has nothing to do with your OS. It is just bad marketing as it can put away potential customers. Although I am not sure if they are looking for new customers or is this just marketed to OS4 users.

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@itix

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Problem is many Amigans do not want weird companies like Genesi or A-eon or Amiga USA selling whatever PC as Amiga.


A-EON is certainly not "weird" as you have stated and it does not sell any "IBM compatible PC's" or maybe you mean PC in the more general term of Personal Computer, i.e. a desktop computer ?

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But it's certainly not AMIGA's they're selling, it's Amiga One. This Name was approved by Amiga Inc to use, so why be ashamed to use it.

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he means PC in a general sense

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@OlafS25

So possible because linux wine and darwine use .so like now amigaosO4 .1 do (think about Cygnix envoiment).

If you check the link i had been submitted pratically what that user did.
had been istalled qemu-user downloaded and installed x86 linux components in one folder
installed the wine in the same folder where installed the linux components

after made a script who made every time lounched "assign" to that folder where are full tree of linux directory usr bin etc and so and so but for x86
and qemu translate the linux x86 envoiment for wine and it run the software.
This things are made by arm today with wine for it.

for sure this will not made on PPC the opportunity for run Battlefield4 but will gave to a PPC hi end (G5 Powerx, 5xxx up) the opportunity for run good some programs and games 3d too.

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@tlosm

I have no clue. Sounds at least good :). There are some unix experts active on amigaos, ask them if that is possible

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Posted on 13-Oct-2014 14:27:43
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@itix

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Although I am not sure if they are looking for new customers


Of course they are looking for new customers.

I have previously posted many times about the focus on linux and efforts to offer even more operating systems on the A-Eon models.

Trevor's blog, which this thread is supposed to be about, makes that quite clear as well.

I tried to make the point here

Now that even Trevor wrote about MOL in his blog, maybe people will understand this. It's about offering options that can increase sales. I don't know why people think this an unholy thought or approach, given that AmigaOS sales alone to the existing market is simply not sufficient.

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@OlafS25

Quote:

OlafS25 wrote:
@amigakit

he means PC in a general sense


Then, in this context even a "classic original real Amiga" is a P(ersonal) C(omputer)

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itix wrote:
It is. Just throw a comment "AmigaOne is not real Amiga" and you face the anger of fundamentalists.


I don't know who is more fundamentalist: The people who accept new computers as successors to the Amiga line, even if they are quite different in hardware or the people who only accept the old computers they grew up with as the one and only true Amigas. Oh wait, I do know.

But it doesn't matter to me. I want a computer to run an unemulated AmigaOS on, that's all. Whatever name it is called is just a label and to argue over it is kindergarten. I like to call my X1000 an Amiga. If anyone disagrees, well, whatever.

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tlosm 
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Posted on 13-Oct-2014 14:52:30
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Everything is possible , if some one want ;)

check here :P
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=39321&forum=17&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#742061

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Posted on 13-Oct-2014 15:17:24
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certainly, its hard to miss the linux bias in the blog, looks like os4 hardly gets mentioned anymore in context of aeon hardware.

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@wawa

probably because AmigaOs is under NDA

and offering MOL is an Extra opportunity for the X1000 and X5000
have mol working in KVM menas have all the PPC software for Mac PPc and his really huge and professional (i know something about) and cover what we miss on AmigaOs today

wait amiwest for all your considerations "positive and negative" about

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Of course they are looking for new customers.


It does not look like it.

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Now that even Trevor wrote about MOL in his blog, maybe people will understand this. It's about offering options that can increase sales. I don't know why people think this an unholy thought or approach, given that AmigaOS sales alone to the existing market is simply not sufficient.


No, it makes sense to try to open new markets for new hardware. Unfortunately Linux PPC desktop market is probably even smaller niche than Amiga is. The pool is empty. There is no fish.

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Now that even Trevor wrote about MOL in his blog, maybe people will understand this. It's about offering options that can increase sales.

No it's not. The AmigaOne series has exactly one thing going for them: The "Amiga" in "AmigaOne". Remove that, and all that's left is an extremely expensive, underpowered, barely available hardware platform from inexperienced vendors that has to be paid months before delivery and runs only a fraction of the operating systems any cheap off-the-shelf grey box is running.

Marketing the X to Linux people is a ridiculous idea. Trevor is talking about Linux because there's nothing else to talk about. At least he's not making up shit on the go like certain other people used to do - I'd rather have him talk about Linux than OS4 netbooks....

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Trevor is talking about Linux because there's nothing else to talk about.


No. He's talking about any alternatives because there is no NDA that prevents frank and honest talk about those alternatives and how they may be progressing. Trevor happens to enjoy writing as well and obviously attempts to keep people informed.
Is it his fault that the operating system his h/w was originally intended for is shrouded by the issues you have so often brought to light? Does he have a massive number of other options that remain unmentioned?

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