Click Here
home features news forums classifieds faqs links search
5630 members 
Amiga Q&A /  Free for All /  Emulation /  Gaming / (Latest Posts)
Login

Nickname

Password

Lost Password?

Don't have an account yet?
Register now!

Support Amigaworld.net
Your support is needed and is appreciated as Amigaworld.net is primarily dependent upon the support of its users.
Donate

Menu
Main sections
Home
Features
News
Forums
Classifieds
Links
Downloads
Extras
OS4 Zone
IRC Network
AmigaWorld Radio
Newsfeed
Top Members
Amiga Dealers
Information
About Us
FAQs
Advertise
Polls
Terms of Service
Search

IRC Channel

Who's Online
 77 guest(s) on-line.
 1 member(s) on-line.


 vox

You are an anonymous user.
Register Now!
 vox:  3 mins ago
 eliyahu:  10 mins ago
 Rob:  23 mins ago
 BSzili:  31 mins ago
 outlawal2:  31 mins ago
 OneTimer1:  36 mins ago
 pavlor:  42 mins ago
 bennymee:  48 mins ago
 Signman:  49 mins ago
 apsturk:  50 mins ago

/  Forum Index
   /  Amiga OS4 Hardware
      /  Trevor's Amiga Blog
Register To Post

Goto page ( Previous Page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37 | 38 | 39 | 40 | 41 | 42 | 43 | 44 | 45 | 46 | 47 | 48 | 49 | 50 | 51 | 52 | 53 | 54 | 55 | 56 Next Page )
PosterThread
iggy 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-May-2016 15:20:49
#781 ]
Super Member
Joined: 20-Oct-2010
Posts: 1175
From: Bear, Delaware USA

@Yasu

Quote:
MorphOS team showed their OS running on the X5000


Gets frustrating, does it old friend?

I'd like to try OS4, and the X5000 seems like an ideal platform.
But I would probably spend more time using MorphOS and Linux on one.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Antique 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-May-2016 16:09:50
#782 ]
Cult Member
Joined: 9-Jun-2005
Posts: 887
From: Norway

@Yasu
X5000 was running AOS 4.1 It was running partial desktop, sometimes all, sometimes only the 2d demo from Hans. The tabor board was running a linux distro.

Quote:

by Yasu on 22-May-2016 13:43:28

They where indeed at Neuss, but the only thing new they showed was Gorky 17. A-Eon showed the X5000 running some demos but not AmigaOS 4 (at least not the desktop). They also showed the Tabor mother board (only the board, no software). MorphOS Team showed their OS running on the X5000.

_________________
I'm an antique. Don't light my fuse

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
ne_one 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-May-2016 23:59:19
#783 ]
Cult Member
Joined: 13-Jun-2005
Posts: 857
From: Unknown

@iggy

Quote:
A truly compact OS requires something a little more creative than a UNIX clone.


And a relevant, actively-supported OS needs a solid foundation.

We're cursed by this incessant demand for efficiency and the "not invented here" syndrome.

Kernel optimization is a limited concern for a platform that has a dwindling user base and limited software development.

A prominent developer who evaluated the AmigaOS code years before any of it became public told me it was "magic." That was great 25 years ago but being elegant and tightly-coupled to dead hardware today makes it a liability.

We can't continue to keep moving sideways.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
ne_one 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 23-May-2016 0:01:34
#784 ]
Cult Member
Joined: 13-Jun-2005
Posts: 857
From: Unknown

@Marcian1978

Quote:
Of course they attended and sponsored the Amiga 30 event In Neuss...

But I think it's off-topic


Good, the optics from the outside suggest that A-EON and the FriendOS contingent had more of a presence.

And that make it's especially relevant.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
iggy 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 23-May-2016 0:04:05
#785 ]
Super Member
Joined: 20-Oct-2010
Posts: 1175
From: Bear, Delaware USA

@ne_one

Yes, and we wouldn't be different if we had a Linux base.

I would actually like to see a smaller kernel than has been used in the past.
Not larger.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Yasu 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 23-May-2016 10:39:06
#786 ]
Regular Member
Joined: 13-Oct-2015
Posts: 224
From: Stockholm, Sweden

@Antique

I only saw the demos, and sometimes the movie Jurassic World running. I do guess it was running under AmigaOS 4, but of the entire day I was there I never saw the actual desktop running. I guess he must have showned the working parts of the desktops to those who asked. I never got the chance as Trevor was having a blast talking to people. I may have issues with AmigaOS 4, but Trevors enthusiasm and friendly spirit is something I admire.

As for Tabor; I only saw a glimpse of it not running so I assumed it didn't run at all. My bad.

_________________
Amiga Forum - Sweden's best Amiga Magazine

My MorphOS Blog

"Free speech includes other peoples right to offend you."

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Anonymous 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 21-Aug-2016 14:17:58
# ]

0
0

@All
Since nobody is doing it...Update time!
http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/

@Trevor, If I'm not mistaken it is "Bil Herd" and not "Bill heard".
Kamelito

Last edited by kamelit0 on 21-Aug-2016 at 02:35 PM.
Last edited by kamelit0 on 21-Aug-2016 at 02:29 PM.
Last edited by kamelit0 on 21-Aug-2016 at 02:28 PM.

 
     Report this post  
pavlor 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 21-Aug-2016 14:42:53
#788 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 10-Jul-2005
Posts: 8970
From: Unknown

@kamelit0

Thanks for posting!


Croatia is nice country with well chosen national colours.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
NutsAboutAmiga 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 21-Aug-2016 16:07:25
#789 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 9-Jun-2004
Posts: 11015
From: Norway

@iggy


Most of kickstart on AmigaOS4.1 is hardware drivers, as more hardware is support the size of kickstart can only get larger.

As for the size of kickstart modules, they are compiled C code, not hand optimized 680x0 assembler, the PowerPC instructions are also fixed to 4 bytes per instruction because it makes sense for memory alignment, cache. In addition debug information might be include in ELF format to help located bugs, in case the software crashes. This also increase the size of programs.

Now days you don't optimize for size, you optimize for speed, this also some times increases the file, as small loops are unrolled.

It be really tiny if you don't need hardware drivers, but also totally useless.


Directory "SYS:Kickstart" on Sunday 21-Aug-16
sb600sata.device.kmod 85056 ----rwed 22-Nov-14 23:00:00
Kicklayout 5363 ----rw-d 10-Oct-14 00:25:23
RadeonHD.chip.54 1588776 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 18:13:12
sb600ide.device.kmod 84732 ----rw-d 30-Nov-12 15:53:26
sii3112ide.device.kmod 84876 ----rw-d 19-Feb-12 22:05:30
sii0680ide.device.kmod 85992 ----rw-d 19-Feb-12 22:04:42
lsi53c8xx.device.kmod 82872 ----rw-d 19-Feb-12 22:02:22
it8212ide.device.kmod 84144 ----rw-d 19-Feb-12 22:01:44
usbsys.device 110736 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
usbresource.library 11032 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
timer.device.kmod 68636 ----rwed 17-Sep-14 20:53:10
RadeonHD.chip.debug 1763692 ----rwed 21-Aug-14 21:18:20
shell.kmod 129164 ----rw-d 11-Nov-13 22:29:48
petunia.library.kmod 1164004 ----rwed 13-Nov-13 17:30:26
rtg.library 858572 ----rwed 18-Dec-12 21:55:22
uhci.usbhcd 61516 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
strap.kmod 13972 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
SmartFilesystem 202976 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
ramlib.kmod 16792 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
ramdrive.device.kmod 10744 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
ram-handler.kmod 34128 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
newlib.library.kmod 574912 ----rwed 22-Nov-14 23:00:00
keyboard.device.kmod 18000 ----rwed 16-Mar-14 03:50:00
layers.library.kmod 70560 ----rwed 04-Jun-14 19:03:24
massstorage.usbfd 157812 ----rwed 02-Feb-14 22:19:00
sii3512ide.device.kmod 84876 ----rw-d 19-Feb-12 22:07:06
sii3114ide.device.kmod 85704 ----rw-d 19-Feb-12 22:06:18
ohci.usbhcd 67940 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:14
nonvolatile.library.kmod 10900 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:14
loader.of 93056 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:14
keymap.library.kmod 69108 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:14
graphics.library.kmod 1084444 ----rwed 08-Oct-14 22:52:58
intuition.library.kmod 850220 ----rwed 03-Sep-14 21:35:16
kernel 712856 ----rwed 10-Oct-14 23:03:22
kernel.debug 1186116 ----rwed 10-Oct-14 22:44:50
xena.resource.kmod 5891 ----rw-d 29-Nov-12 20:08:28
JXFileSystem 207448 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
input.device.kmod 14412 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
hunk.library.kmod 67264 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
hub.usbfd 71136 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
gameport.device.kmod 9440 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
dos.library.kmod 553956 ----rwed 30-Jun-14 08:39:40
FileSystem.resource.kmod 4848 ----rwed 13-Feb-11 00:37:40
gadtools.library.kmod 64392 ----rw-d 05-Jul-13 17:10:02
elf.library.kmod 53568 ----rw-d 27-Mar-13 22:51:54
FastFileSystem 159852 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
env-handler.kmod 20764 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
ehci.usbhcd 67388 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
diskcache.library.kmod 18500 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
diskboot.kmod 10728 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
diskboot.config 426 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
console.device.kmod 163876 ----rw-d 22-Nov-14 23:00:00
con-handler.kmod 77468 ----rw-d 22-Nov-14 23:00:00
CDFileSystem 77576 ----rwed 20-Sep-12 21:13:52
ATIRadeon.chip 170988 ----rw-d 21-Dec-12 19:20:34
bootmouse.usbfd 6392 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
bootmenu.kmod 54864 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
bootkeyboard.usbfd 14652 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
bootimage 138988 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
biosversion.resource.kmod 66864 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
battclock.resource.kmod 5528 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
RadeonHD.chip 1622060 ----rwed 03-May-15 18:54:15
cfide.device.kmod 32172 ----rwed 22-Nov-14 23:00:00
PCIGraphics.card 80380 ----rwed 21-Aug-14 21:58:44
Kicklayout.backup 5378 ----rw-d 19-Dec-12 20:14:16
3DLabsPermedia2.chip 27844 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
3dfxVoodoo.chip 96836 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
67 files - 14M bytes - 30541 blocks used

Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 21-Aug-2016 at 04:20 PM.
Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 21-Aug-2016 at 04:19 PM.
Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 21-Aug-2016 at 04:16 PM.
Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 21-Aug-2016 at 04:13 PM.

_________________
Please check out my software:
Excalibur, Basilisk 2, AmigaInputAnywhere.
LiveForIt-Music
http://lifeofliveforit.blogspot.no/

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
NutsAboutAmiga 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 21-Aug-2016 16:29:19
#790 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 9-Jun-2004
Posts: 11015
From: Norway

@Yasu

It's some time tricky to tell what is AmigaOS4.1, and what is well done skin for Linux.



Most of the time buttons and programs give it away. I have also seen pictures of Amiga like shell for Linux.


Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 21-Aug-2016 at 04:29 PM.

_________________
Please check out my software:
Excalibur, Basilisk 2, AmigaInputAnywhere.
LiveForIt-Music
http://lifeofliveforit.blogspot.no/

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
TrevorDick 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 21-Aug-2016 23:23:55
#791 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 30-Dec-2004
Posts: 2656
From: Wellington

@kamelit0

Quote:
@Trevor, If I'm not mistaken it is "Bil Herd" and not "Bill heard". Kamelito


Correct and corrected. Thanks.

TrevorD

_________________
No, I don't need no reason, I'm just breezin'

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Rob 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Aug-2016 10:30:18
#792 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 20-Mar-2003
Posts: 5785
From: S.Wales

@TrevorDick

Please tell me Kevin Saunders plans to make this into a game.

http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/PPaint1920x1200_ISO_04c.png

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
invent 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Aug-2016 10:52:08
#793 ]
Regular Member
Joined: 31-Mar-2009
Posts: 112
From: Brisbane, Australia

@Rob

Hi Rob, I can answer that for you :) The starting concept you see is indeed towards a game concept.
I have always been a big fan of Marble Madness, Spindizzy and so many other isometric games of the past.

The next question might be which Amiga platform Amiga Classic and or AmigaOS 4.1+

For the moment it will sit idle while I work on a few other active game projects for the Classics and other NG Amiga projects. I'm also looking also towards Vampire / NG Amiga opportunities in future.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Overflow 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Aug-2016 11:04:05
#794 ]
Super Member
Joined: 12-Jun-2012
Posts: 1560
From: Norway

@invent

New games for Classic/Vampire line; Great news

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Rob 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Aug-2016 11:24:06
#795 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 20-Mar-2003
Posts: 5785
From: S.Wales

@invent

I'd love to see it for OS4.1 and at high resolution.

Vampire is offering higher resolution now too so I think the guys behind it would appreciate software that takes advantage of the new modes they've added.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
tlosm 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Aug-2016 12:03:38
#796 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 28-Jul-2012
Posts: 2619
From: Amiga land

@TrevorDick

Waiting the 5040 when it done

_________________
I love Amiga and new hope by AmigaNG
A 500 + ; CDTV; CD32;
PowerMac G5 Quad 8GB,SSD,SSHD,7800gtx,Radeon R5 230 2GB;
MacBook Pro Retina I7 2.3ghz;
#nomorea-eoninmyhome

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
invent 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Aug-2016 12:08:43
#797 ]
Regular Member
Joined: 31-Mar-2009
Posts: 112
From: Brisbane, Australia

@Overflow

yes I'd love to get a Vampire for the 1200 :) it's bare bones vanilla at the moment.
Need to find programmers though ;)

@ Rob

True both AmigaOS and Vampire machines would be great :)

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Hypex 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Aug-2016 15:34:02
#798 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 6-May-2007
Posts: 9484
From: Greensborough, Australia

@NutsAboutAmiga

Quote:
Now days you don't optimize for size, you optimize for speed, this also some times increases the file, as small loops are unrolled.


I would have thought unrolling loops would have negative effect on the cache. Being they are of limited size and you want to execute inside it. Okay it's not exactly down to the bare basics of a 68010 one op loop mode but with multitasking and CPU's made to loop dynamically unrollng would seem unnecessary.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
ne_one 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 23-Aug-2016 3:50:43
#799 ]
Cult Member
Joined: 13-Jun-2005
Posts: 857
From: Unknown

@iggy

Quote:
Yes, and we wouldn't be different if we had a Linux base.


I have a tough time imagining that.

I have an even tougher time imagining how a smaller or faster kernel would be of greater value than one that is current and actively supported.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Anonymous 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 24-Aug-2016 8:57:22
# ]

0
0

@TrevorDick

" I would be driven around Brussels to my own Boing Ball destination! Only Amiga............."

Is your trip to Brussels about sprouts or Hyperion or both?
Kamelito

 
     Report this post  
Goto page ( Previous Page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37 | 38 | 39 | 40 | 41 | 42 | 43 | 44 | 45 | 46 | 47 | 48 | 49 | 50 | 51 | 52 | 53 | 54 | 55 | 56 Next Page )

[ home ][ about us ][ privacy ] [ forums ][ classifieds ] [ links ][ news archive ] [ link to us ][ user account ]
Copyright (C) 2000 - 2019 Amigaworld.net.
Amigaworld.net was originally founded by David Doyle