@Yasu

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MorphOS team showed their OS running on the X5000

Gets frustrating, does it old friend?

I'd like to try OS4, and the X5000 seems like an ideal platform.
But I would probably spend more time using MorphOS and Linux on one.

@Yasu
X5000 was running AOS 4.1 It was running partial desktop, sometimes all, sometimes only the 2d demo from Hans. The tabor board was running a linux distro.

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by Yasu on 22-May-2016 13:43:28 They where indeed at Neuss, but the only thing new they showed was Gorky 17. A-Eon showed the X5000 running some demos but not AmigaOS 4 (at least not the desktop). They also showed the Tabor mother board (only the board, no software). MorphOS Team showed their OS running on the X5000.

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@iggy

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A truly compact OS requires something a little more creative than a UNIX clone.

And a relevant, actively-supported OS needs a solid foundation.

We're cursed by this incessant demand for efficiency and the "not invented here" syndrome.

Kernel optimization is a limited concern for a platform that has a dwindling user base and limited software development.

A prominent developer who evaluated the AmigaOS code years before any of it became public told me it was "magic." That was great 25 years ago but being elegant and tightly-coupled to dead hardware today makes it a liability.

We can't continue to keep moving sideways.

@Marcian1978

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Of course they attended and sponsored the Amiga 30 event In Neuss... But I think it's off-topic

Good, the optics from the outside suggest that A-EON and the FriendOS contingent had more of a presence.

And that make it's especially relevant.

@ne_one

Yes, and we wouldn't be different if we had a Linux base.

I would actually like to see a smaller kernel than has been used in the past.
Not larger.

@Antique

I only saw the demos, and sometimes the movie Jurassic World running. I do guess it was running under AmigaOS 4, but of the entire day I was there I never saw the actual desktop running. I guess he must have showned the working parts of the desktops to those who asked. I never got the chance as Trevor was having a blast talking to people. I may have issues with AmigaOS 4, but Trevors enthusiasm and friendly spirit is something I admire.

As for Tabor; I only saw a glimpse of it not running so I assumed it didn't run at all. My bad.

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Thanks for posting!


Croatia is nice country with well chosen national colours.

@iggy


Most of kickstart on AmigaOS4.1 is hardware drivers, as more hardware is support the size of kickstart can only get larger.

As for the size of kickstart modules, they are compiled C code, not hand optimized 680x0 assembler, the PowerPC instructions are also fixed to 4 bytes per instruction because it makes sense for memory alignment, cache. In addition debug information might be include in ELF format to help located bugs, in case the software crashes. This also increase the size of programs.

Now days you don't optimize for size, you optimize for speed, this also some times increases the file, as small loops are unrolled.

It be really tiny if you don't need hardware drivers, but also totally useless.

Directory "SYS:Kickstart" on Sunday 21-Aug-16
sb600sata.device.kmod         85056 ----rwed 22-Nov-14 23:00:00
Kicklayout                     5363 ----rw-d 10-Oct-14 00:25:23
RadeonHD.chip.54            1588776 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 18:13:12
sb600ide.device.kmod          84732 ----rw-d 30-Nov-12 15:53:26
sii3112ide.device.kmod        84876 ----rw-d 19-Feb-12 22:05:30
sii0680ide.device.kmod        85992 ----rw-d 19-Feb-12 22:04:42
lsi53c8xx.device.kmod         82872 ----rw-d 19-Feb-12 22:02:22
it8212ide.device.kmod         84144 ----rw-d 19-Feb-12 22:01:44
usbsys.device                110736 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
usbresource.library           11032 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
timer.device.kmod             68636 ----rwed 17-Sep-14 20:53:10
RadeonHD.chip.debug         1763692 ----rwed 21-Aug-14 21:18:20
shell.kmod                   129164 ----rw-d 11-Nov-13 22:29:48
petunia.library.kmod        1164004 ----rwed 13-Nov-13 17:30:26
rtg.library                  858572 ----rwed 18-Dec-12 21:55:22
uhci.usbhcd                   61516 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
strap.kmod                    13972 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
SmartFilesystem              202976 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
ramlib.kmod                   16792 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
ramdrive.device.kmod          10744 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
ram-handler.kmod              34128 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:15
newlib.library.kmod          574912 ----rwed 22-Nov-14 23:00:00
keyboard.device.kmod          18000 ----rwed 16-Mar-14 03:50:00
layers.library.kmod           70560 ----rwed 04-Jun-14 19:03:24
massstorage.usbfd            157812 ----rwed 02-Feb-14 22:19:00
sii3512ide.device.kmod        84876 ----rw-d 19-Feb-12 22:07:06
sii3114ide.device.kmod        85704 ----rw-d 19-Feb-12 22:06:18
ohci.usbhcd                   67940 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:14
nonvolatile.library.kmod      10900 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:14
loader.of                     93056 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:14
keymap.library.kmod           69108 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:14
graphics.library.kmod       1084444 ----rwed 08-Oct-14 22:52:58
intuition.library.kmod       850220 ----rwed 03-Sep-14 21:35:16
kernel                       712856 ----rwed 10-Oct-14 23:03:22
kernel.debug                1186116 ----rwed 10-Oct-14 22:44:50
xena.resource.kmod             5891 ----rw-d 29-Nov-12 20:08:28
JXFileSystem                 207448 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
input.device.kmod             14412 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
hunk.library.kmod             67264 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
hub.usbfd                     71136 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
gameport.device.kmod           9440 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
dos.library.kmod             553956 ----rwed 30-Jun-14 08:39:40
FileSystem.resource.kmod       4848 ----rwed 13-Feb-11 00:37:40
gadtools.library.kmod         64392 ----rw-d 05-Jul-13 17:10:02
elf.library.kmod              53568 ----rw-d 27-Mar-13 22:51:54
FastFileSystem               159852 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
env-handler.kmod              20764 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
ehci.usbhcd                   67388 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
diskcache.library.kmod        18500 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
diskboot.kmod                 10728 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
diskboot.config                 426 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:13
console.device.kmod          163876 ----rw-d 22-Nov-14 23:00:00
con-handler.kmod              77468 ----rw-d 22-Nov-14 23:00:00
CDFileSystem                  77576 ----rwed 20-Sep-12 21:13:52
ATIRadeon.chip               170988 ----rw-d 21-Dec-12 19:20:34
bootmouse.usbfd                6392 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
bootmenu.kmod                 54864 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
bootkeyboard.usbfd            14652 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
bootimage                    138988 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
biosversion.resource.kmod      66864 ----rw-d 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
battclock.resource.kmod        5528 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
RadeonHD.chip               1622060 ----rwed 03-May-15 18:54:15
cfide.device.kmod             32172 ----rwed 22-Nov-14 23:00:00
PCIGraphics.card              80380 ----rwed 21-Aug-14 21:58:44
Kicklayout.backup              5378 ----rw-d 19-Dec-12 20:14:16
3DLabsPermedia2.chip          27844 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
3dfxVoodoo.chip               96836 ----rwed 21-Nov-12 17:36:12
67 files - 14M bytes - 30541 blocks used

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@Yasu

It's some time tricky to tell what is AmigaOS4.1, and what is well done skin for Linux.



Most of the time buttons and programs give it away. I have also seen pictures of Amiga like shell for Linux.

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@Trevor, If I'm not mistaken it is "Bil Herd" and not "Bill heard". Kamelito

Correct and corrected. Thanks.

TrevorD

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@TrevorDick

Please tell me Kevin Saunders plans to make this into a game.

http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/PPaint1920x1200_ISO_04c.png

@Rob

Hi Rob, I can answer that for you :) The starting concept you see is indeed towards a game concept.
I have always been a big fan of Marble Madness, Spindizzy and so many other isometric games of the past.

The next question might be which Amiga platform Amiga Classic and or AmigaOS 4.1+

For the moment it will sit idle while I work on a few other active game projects for the Classics and other NG Amiga projects. I'm also looking also towards Vampire / NG Amiga opportunities in future.

@invent

New games for Classic/Vampire line; Great news

@invent

I'd love to see it for OS4.1 and at high resolution.

Vampire is offering higher resolution now too so I think the guys behind it would appreciate software that takes advantage of the new modes they've added.

@TrevorDick

Waiting the 5040 when it done

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yes I'd love to get a Vampire for the 1200 :) it's bare bones vanilla at the moment.
Need to find programmers though ;)

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True both AmigaOS and Vampire machines would be great :)

@NutsAboutAmiga

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Now days you don't optimize for size, you optimize for speed, this also some times increases the file, as small loops are unrolled.

I would have thought unrolling loops would have negative effect on the cache. Being they are of limited size and you want to execute inside it. Okay it's not exactly down to the bare basics of a 68010 one op loop mode but with multitasking and CPU's made to loop dynamically unrollng would seem unnecessary.

@iggy

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Yes, and we wouldn't be different if we had a Linux base.

I have a tough time imagining that.

I have an even tougher time imagining how a smaller or faster kernel would be of greater value than one that is current and actively supported.

@TrevorDick

" I would be driven around Brussels to my own Boing Ball destination! Only Amiga............."

Is your trip to Brussels about sprouts or Hyperion or both?
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