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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 18-Oct-2016 18:43:21
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amigaos on x5000 is the faster amigaos ever without altivec too .

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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According to
http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2016-10-00012-DE.html
you hoped to be able to show a WIP of Libre Office at AmiWest. Any news on that?

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 20-Oct-2016 11:31:41
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We installed & tested the latest alpha at Amiwest. We are now collecting names for the bets test programme.

TrevorD

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Dandy 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 20-Oct-2016 13:31:54
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@TrevorDick

What surprises me most is the complete absence of any news related to the "Xena/Xorro stuff".

At the beginning of the project there had been talk about implementing the access to the "Xena/Xorro stuff" of the A1X1k into OS 4.x. and to port the XMos tools to AmigaOS so users can start to code for it natively in OS 4.x.

So - what became of it?

First (in the pre-X1000 era) you made our mouths water with talk about that "Xena/Xorro stuff" and then nothing but silence about it?

With the imminent release of the successor to the AmigaOne X1000, I guess it's about time to unveil the plans regarding the "Xena/Xorro stuff" to your audience/potential A1X5k customers!

C'mon! Finally put your cards regarding this "Xena/Xorro stuff" on the table!

How far advanced is the porting of the XMOS-Tools to OS 4.x?
When can we expect the release of an OS4.x-native, fully working set of the XMOS Tools?

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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@Dandy

Lyle Haze seems to be the only one working on anything related the Xena/Xorro. He might have had a bit more to say about it at Amiwest but since he couldn't make we didn't hear anything.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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@TrevorDick

Great, what skills do I need to become betatester? Is there any sort of testschedule? As an Office Suite is very important to me, I would love to contribute here!

Regards Gero

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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@TrevorDick
I would also love to take part in the beta test program.
Soon my X5000 will arrive and it would be great to do my daily office work with Libre Office on OS4.

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ne_one 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 20-Oct-2016 22:22:12
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@Dandy

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What surprises me most is the complete absence of any news related to the "Xena/Xorro stuff".


Is that likely a reflection of demand?

The news sounded intriguing at first but the practical application seems to be a bit elusive.

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Trixie 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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@ne_one

Quote:
The news sounded intriguing at first but the practical application seems to be a bit elusive.

Well it is now quite clear that the Xena/Xorro stuff was only added to increase the geek factor, so...

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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Well it is now quite clear that the Xena/Xorro stuff was only added to increase the geek factor, so...

Which means the community don't have any active hardware geeks left or those geeks are only interested in making plastic computer cases and they don't want to tinker with soldering any more. It's geekish enough to stick a new turbo card into a 30 years old computer for them. Also X1000 was maybe too expensive for too many people.

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wawa 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 21-Oct-2016 11:58:55
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@Tomppeli

do you seriously complain that people are not eager to try out their soldering skills on rare smd boards worth of multiple thousand dollars they wouldnt be able to find replacement for? anyway, only hardware modifications i have ever heard of from os4 users, were fixes to get their boards working reliably. what otherwise would be the reason to tinker with almost regular hardware, where you have the most basic expansions available via standard interfaces. this doesnt apply to amiga, and therefore the hardware scene there is lively. nothing unexpected, this was crystal clear even before the release of x1k.

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@Tomppeli

putting a graphic card in the pci slot of a 3000 EUR system with performance comparable to 7-8 years old PCs is not geekish either

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pavlor 
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Posted on 21-Oct-2016 15:46:23
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Amiga users are crazy, who else would hail CPU card with performance comparable to 20 years old PC as best Amiga thing ever...

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wawa 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 21-Oct-2016 16:22:54
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Amiga users are crazy, who else would hail CPU card with performance comparable to 20 years old PC as best Amiga thing ever...


now, that was also completely predictable that this will be an overwhelming success. especially that this is a self made cpu. the complexity of this project wipes the floor with anything else currently underway.

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@wawa

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that this will be an overwhelming success


What would kipper say to this...

Quote:
the complexity of this project wipes the floor with anything else currently underway.


Complexity and no FPU. Amusing combination.


Sorry for harsh remarks. Every Amiga faction lives in its own bubble. For you, Vampire is best product and Tabor... "uninteresting". For me, Vampire is something I don´t need and Tabor next computer I want to buy.

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klx300r 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 21-Oct-2016 17:46:35
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tlosm wrote:
@klx300r

amigaos on x5000 is the faster amigaos ever without altivec too .


that's great but I want to see real life benchmarks that all of us AmigaOS4.1 FE users can contribute in

& X5000 users let's start off with a Blender benchmark on AmigaOS4.1FE

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ne_one 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 21-Oct-2016 22:14:15
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@Trixie

Quote:
Well it is now quite clear that the Xena/Xorro stuff was only added to increase the geek factor, so...


Wasn't it actually part of the original design before it was even adopted for Amiga use?

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wawa 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 21-Oct-2016 22:15:39
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@pavlor

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What would kipper say to this...


they have been overrun by demand, i think thats a very evidence of success. and now atari users are storming in :)

Quote:
Complexity and no FPU. Amusing combination.


afaik, they have a fpu, it has been disabled temporarily for some remaining compatibility issues that prevented shapeshifter to work correctly. it must have been a favourable decision for the customers.

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Sorry for harsh remarks


nevermind.

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For you, Vampire is best product and Tabor... "uninteresting". For me, Vampire is something I don´t need and Tabor next computer I want to buy.


i dont even plan of buying vampire any soon, as much as i dont plan on buying tabor. i simply commented on a successful "geek" approach as opposed to xena/xorro. i think it has been obvious since day one but today everybody can check the facts. call it living in a bubble, if you will.

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wawa 
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Posted on 21-Oct-2016 22:18:42
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@ne_one

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Wasn't it actually part of the original design before it was even adopted for Amiga use?


this is the only sensible justification in my eyes.

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ne_one 
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Posted on 21-Oct-2016 22:25:25
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@Tomppeli

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Which means the community don't have any active hardware geeks left or those geeks are only interested in making plastic computer cases...


Uhm... no - this isn't the 70's or some crowd-funded roll-your-own project. It's not always the responsibility of the community to make up for shortfalls.

Either way, it's not uncommon for features to be included that are never actually used and I doubt many people honestly care. Did anyone buy an X1000 for Xena/Xorra use? Unlikely.

And I would certainly not want any resources to be spent implementing support when this at best a curiosity. There are far more pressing needs.

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