@Aslak3

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How's the hardware support on MopphOS when running on a 460? * Onboard SATA DMA? * PCI-e 1x slot? * And the all important.... on board sound?

i'm asking the same questions. at the moment none of that is working -- the presentation in bologna was of a very early prototype. i also suspect that, unless acube and ross are willing to share their sources, that the on-board audio won't be supported. just a guess, mind, but based on just how difficult that blased SM502 is to work with, the MOS guys would be smarter to just tell users to grab a supported audio card for their PCI slot.

once PCIe-to-PCI bridge controllers are supported by u-boot, this won't be an issue. you can get a supported SATA controller for the PCIe 1x slot.

once morphzone.org comes back up, try asking your questions there. they might have the answers.

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Wow, this did almost get down to Moobunny levels.
You guys are as polarized as everyone else is.
Amigaworld is no different.

Honestly folks, as one of the "lesser people" I still find OS4 interesting.
And no, a MorphOS port won't sell many Sam460 boards, but it might create some new MorphOS licences.

@eliyahu

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i also suspect that, unless acube and ross are willing to share their sources, that the on-board audio won't be supported

Or they could just modify the sources to the AROS drivers(for the display portion at least). :P

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This is a great opportunity for driver colaboration between AmigaOS 4,MorphOS and Aros.

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@thread

my memory was just refreshed...

Old Mac's can not use other expansion cards than those that their motherboard bios manages to detect. And because apple did not implement x86 emulator in the BIOS (like how it's done on A1 HW + SAM by UBoot), you need to find reflashed (PPC Mac version) of cards.

So... SAM460 might be the only way (for now) for MOS fans to use modern GPUs etc...

Right?

(the card can be detected later by other drivers, but to get any BIOS output, BIOS need to work with the found GPU)

If someone would be using ARM based HW, again, one would need x86 emulator in the bios to get cards to work...

btw... I think I have never spotted a "flashed for PPC Mac" GFX cards in any normal computer store. Were those available only from Apple?

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@KimmoK

Itx posted on Amig.org that they would probably not be any focus on newer vido card support in the near future.If that is the case they may soon discover that a radeon 9250 in a Sam460ex is relatively slow in a 33 Mhz pci slot.

Onboard Video

Sam460ex =198.22
http://hdrlab.org.nz/benchmark/gfxbench2d/OS/AmigaOS/Result/1078
Sam440ep = 1846.67
http://hdrlab.org.nz/benchmark/gfxbench2d/OS/AmigaOS/Result/1054


PCI or AGP

Sam460ex = 882.10
http://hdrlab.org.nz/benchmark/gfxbench2d/OS/AmigaOS/Result/1004
Sam440ep-flex = 819.42
http://hdrlab.org.nz/benchmark/gfxbench2d/OS/AmigaOS/Result/782
Pegasos II= 2100.38
http://hdrlab.org.nz/benchmark/gfxbench2d/OS/AmigaOS/Result/949

PCIe

Sam440ep-Flex= 2614.01
http://hdrlab.org.nz/benchmark/gfxbench2d/OS/AmigaOS/Result/1069
Sam460ex= 4494.63
http://hdrlab.org.nz/benchmark/gfxbench2d/OS/AmigaOS/Result/1075

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Arko wrote: Removed by Mod... No trolling!

O wow > I got "27 abuse report(s)" in the last three days ...

Just for calling the Sam460 with a term that was formally used by Trevor Dick ("Robert Trevor Dickinson" for SSollie)

Somehow this forum is getting funny

Edit by Mod: Glad you think it is funny. Enjoy the ban

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@KimmoK

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Old Mac's can not use other expansion cards than those that their motherboard bios manages to detect.

That is wrong!

You can use any card which has no bios on board. e.g. TV-cards, USB cards and even SATA cards if they don´t have a bios onboard.

Basically this only effects cards required for booting (SATA/GFX).

Geit

@geit

Thank you for the clarification.

Any info if any work arounds are planned to enable modern GFX cards on PPC Macs?
Perhaps via using two cards at the same time? (where old one is used only in BIOS booting stage)

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Well then I will try MOS too :) Just to find out how to partition HD for multiboot - aOS and mOS :)

Nice news :)

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Any info if any work arounds are planned to enable modern GFX cards on PPC Macs

Right now, the developers are focusing on 3D support for the R300.
There has been some discussion of also including the R400.

But there is a problem going much higher then that.
AGP cards have to have Mac compatible firmware on board.

That leaves you with either a Radeon X850XT PE or an Nvidia 7800GS as the most modern you could use (and MorphOS doesn't support Nvidia cards).

So, while the Macs are neat, I'm hoping to see support for a PCIe equipped X2000.
I also wouldn't mind shader support.

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a good news!

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So... SAM460 might be the only way (for now) for MOS fans to use modern GPUs etc...

last G5 powermacs had various PCIexpress x16 slots

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If someone would be using ARM based HW, again, one would need x86 emulator in the bios to get cards to work...

it would have to support AtomBIOS (there are various example parsers out there), we don't need a x86 emu

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btw... I think I have never spotted a "flashed for PPC Mac" GFX cards in any normal computer store. Were those available only from Apple?

I saw mac radeons in shops where macs were sold like Mediamarkt some years ago although I guess that now they'll sell EFI ones

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@Arko

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O wow > I got "27 abuse report(s)" in the last three days ... Just for calling the Sam460 with a term that was formally used by Trevor Dick ("Robert Trevor Dickinson" for SSollie) Somehow this forum is getting funny

I have not read this whole thread, only the last 2 pages, but to clear the air I can tell you this:
You received 27 ARs since your joined AW in January 2007. Not 27 ARs in the last three days.

I think that is sad, not funny.

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@Moxee

Moving discussion to a proper thread, as suggested.

OK I do understand fixing standing issues is priority,
and MorphOS tradition, so no one holds any deadline.

Also, no one considers it will support PCI-E Cards out of box,
since MorphOS doesn`t.

The thing is it seems its quickly abandoned after demoed
(relatively in Amiga world) which is really, really sad.

I do remember (and can find it on MorphZone if needed)
MOS team explicitly say they do "external ports" ONLY
and ONLY if externally funded (like G5 port was by bounty).
I don`t know how port itself was funded, usualy Acube used
to pay for AROS port etc.

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But as I already stated, the number of new potential users is so small, it is not the usual wise choice of the MorphOS Dev. Team to support such hardware. It will however take away the one complaint that some people have of there not being any NEW hardware currently available for purchase to run MorphOS3.x on (not counting NOS Efika systems, or motherboards).

How was existing SAM 460 users interest judged?
Was there any open forum, voting, letter of interest to Acube customers?

Well, since SAM 440 is less and less interesting and X1000 way too expensive, SAM 460
would become preffered OS4 platform as soon as standing issues are fixed in OS4 world. That is a major drawback holding people down. SAM 460 Lite board is cheap enough to make it a very good choice in what is offered in OS4 world, and offers best performance per buck out of existing
new PPC boards.

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But as I already stated, the number of new potential users is so small, it is not the usual wise choice of the MorphOS Dev. Team to support such hardware. It will however take away the one complaint that some people have of there not being any NEW hardware currently available for purchase to run MorphOS3.x on (not counting NOS Efika systems, or motherboards).

Which is not a minor flaw of MorphOS.

When saying MOS supports 60-70 computers, that is generally few flavors of Macs in different setups, going such road we could count any 440/460/X1000 config with different RAM setup and gfx card as another "supported computer". In reality these are G3-G4 based eMacs, iMacs, Mac Minis and G5 models - 4-5 computer models (oh I forgot laptop versions, lets say 6-7).

Also, as years pass by, these Macs will become less and less available, repairable etc.
So its good investment in future, as Acube is not to go away.

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I can assure you that more than the amount of RAM of make of GFX-card changed when Apple issued a new identifier to a Mac.

Heck even Macs with the same ID can vary quite a lot.

Also don't forget Pegasos1 (with or without April1/2), Pegasos2 and the Efika.

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I can assure you that more than the amount of RAM of make of GFX-card changed when Apple issued a new identifier to a Mac. Heck even Macs with the same ID can vary quite a lot.

Good to know - even I have never been a PPC Mac - even beautiful designed they were
extremely expensive at the time.

Call it 70+ computers, hoping SAM 460 Lite / SAM 460 / AmigaOne 500 will make to that list

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