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coriolis 
new PPC cards for classic Amiga
Posted on 22-Dec-2012 10:41:49
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Do anybody know what happened with these projects?

Powervixxen LT (PPC card for A1200 http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1133389832&category=news )

UltimatePPC - http://ultimateppc.nl/

SharkPPC

It is very strange to make a working prototypes, show photos to community and dissapear after this.

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Re: new PPC cards for classic Amiga
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@coriolis

That's only half the work though.

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Re: new PPC cards for classic Amiga
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@coriolis

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It is very strange to make a working prototypes, show photos to community and dissapear after this.


Strange? Maybe. Usual in Amiga community? Certainly!


Too many nice ideas, too few abilities to make them reality.

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Posted on 22-Dec-2012 11:02:37
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@coriolis

http://www.amigawiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/PowerVixxen_LT

It says ACK interesting..
Well ACK promised to produce other products as well, there were also people sending stuff to ACK for repair that did not get there stuff back.

A few years back Amiga Inc announced they were going to make this super computer and that ACK was the manufacture but guess what it did not happen.

http://www.amigawiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/ACK_Software_Controls,_Inc

It looks like wiki pages is bit empty on this subject, it kind of testifies how ACK was more like a Ghost Company, mostly Ectoplasm nothing real materialized into any products.

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A few years back Amiga Inc announced they were going to make this super computer and that ACK was the manufacture but guess what it did not happen.


In 2007 they announced Amiga computer based on PA6T... saddly it never materialised.

In 2012 PA6T based Amiga branded computer was finaly sold to the general public. A-Eon fulfilled promises of other companies made 5 years ago!

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ive read that there will be ultimateppc status update yet this year.

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@pavlor

Who's Amiga Inc. exactly?

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@coriolis

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It is very strange to make a working prototypes, show photos to community and dissapear after this.


Really. We have an Amiga scientific term for this. It's called vapourware.

Though the term always seemed to refer to software that doesn't exist to me. Or ghost software.

Guess warez feel more soft than hard to me.

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A few years back Amiga Inc announced they were going to make this super computer and that ACK was the manufacture but guess what it did not happen.


Yeah, and then we suspiciously were brought the AmigaOne X1000! Which sounded exactly alike. And IIRC, more expensive.

Come to think of it, I womder how the A1-500 compares to the mini version.

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@Hypex

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I womder how the A1-500 compares to the mini version.


More expensive, but also far more powerful (it would be something like SAM440ep-flex)

Freescale MPC8349E 400-667 MHz (performance comparable to 440EP)
1x DDR2 DIMM (max. 1GB Ram)
1x 66MHz PCI slot (for GFX card)
2x 33MHz PCI slot
2x 10/100/1Gb Ethernet
4x USB 2.0
2x serial
4x SATA (Silicon Image Sil3114)
C-Media CMI8738 (sound)
Price: 498 USD (2007)

Edit: SATA, not SATA2

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@coriolis

The UltimatePPC might still be made, but if I were to bet on it, I would say no.
The PPC they used wasnt compatible with hte exsisting PPC SW, plus they werent exactly given a warm welcome.

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Posted on 22-Dec-2012 14:18:16
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@Yssing

The problem whit the UltimatePPC is that they selected a CPU that has double precision FPU, and that does not confirm whit the PowerISA standard used by AmigaOS/MorphOS/WarpUP powerpc software.

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@coriolis

I think the problem whit SharkPPC was deign of the board itself, having to go through a PCI slot.

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Posted on 22-Dec-2012 14:28:45
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@Yssing

I don't think it was that they were not welcome, the only mistake they did was not to check requirements before designing the PCB.

They have potentially wasted many man hours of work, and yes probably nice of Hyperion and co if they say they going to support the project or not, I think they might have been holding back, to see if there was a interest or not.

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Posted on 22-Dec-2012 14:49:21
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@Yssing

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The UltimatePPC might still be made, but if I were to bet on it, I would say no.

if the people behind the project state that there will be an update i trust them it is worked on. whether it will be completed and if thr project will ever interest me enough is another question.

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wawa 
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The problem whit the UltimatePPC is that they selected a CPU that has double precaution FPU, and that does not confirm whit the PowerISA standard used by AmigaOS/MorphOS/WarpUP powerpc software.

after the public announcement the problems though were brought to attention as early as possible (mostly by usual naysayers, llike piru and co.), not early enough not to waste done work, but hopefully early enough to prevent the project to fail completely. lets see what will emerge from this, even if as i said i have no much expectations, but the designers seem competent though..

btw, its "with" not "whit"..

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olegil 
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Posted on 22-Dec-2012 15:16:38
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@NutsAboutAmiga

Double precaution?

You really need a better spellchecker.

Besides, the problem isn't that it's double preCISion, I bet most of your FPUs are double precision. The fact that it is not IEEE754 compliant without some extra software emulation is the problem.

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Would be nice to know how great changes are needed with P1013 vs T1020.

+ For ultimatePPC, some cheaper APM PPC would be ok as well.

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Posted on 22-Dec-2012 17:33:21
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@olegil

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You really need a better spellchecker.


There is no spell checker in world that is so intelligent to pick the right word of two equality correct typed words, so I guess it better for you to exercise you tolerances to dyslexia, anyway they are not free, I'm not paying to hide my problems.

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Posted on 22-Dec-2012 18:04:04
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@olegil

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Double precaution?

You really need a better spellchecker.

Besides, the problem isn't that it's double preCISion, I bet most of your FPUs are double precision. The fact that it is not IEEE754 compliant without some extra software emulation is the problem.


Seems the Coldfire was missing important things too. Anyone know what it was? Maybe we need to sent a group of Amiga guys into Freescale to talk to them about an 060 core inside a Coldfire?

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