@ferrels

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@thread Just what we all needed, another Linux distro. And just as I predicted, another scam inflicted on Amigans who were hoping for something that wasn't another Linux distro.

omg. you really sound like a broken record. we already know that you think it is a linux distro.

@ferrels

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Just what we all needed, another Linux distro. And just as I predicted, another scam inflicted on Amigans who were hoping for something that wasn't another Linux distro.

facepalm.. ;)

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Sorry to inform you but a Linux kernel with an AROS-looking window manager is still Linux.

and what about gallium drivers under an operating system like aros or os4 (if it will ever get it) does that make said oses "linux" too?

look. i was following the initial arix development on aros being in contact with the devs anyway. apparently you have not, otherwise you wouldnt be so insistant about your dumb claims. arix is *not* a skinned linux.

i dont know if this is a "second coming" but nit was never claimed afair. the developers rether tried to avoid hype so calm down.

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@wawa

so, what is it?

@thread
countdown now is: -20H

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it will be known very soon, im certain. i dont think im supposed to tell.

@ferrels
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Sorry to inform you but a Linux kernel with an AROS-looking window manager is still Linux.

I said "userland", not "window manager". Userland includes DOS, a shell, a graphics sub system including drivers, some sort of window manager, a sound system, USB and TCP stacks...

Or, in Amiga/AROS terms: dos.library, shell, graphics.library, layers.library, intuition.library, AHI, Poseidon, Genesis/Miami/Roadshow... Like I said: you probably wouldn't notice any difference - other than the fact it wouldn't run your existing applications anymore. Just think of Amithlon minus the 68k compatibility - that was certainly not a Linux distribution.

We don't know how many of the modules listed above they would take from Unix, and how many from AROS. The original Anubis project was going to use the X Window System, but the only person involved with both projects (afaict) is Dammy, and he's not much of a coder.

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And I've not been yelling. YELLING is in all caps!

Good thing you explained that.

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But the silence tells me that that he isn't prepared or doesn't want to address any of the criticisms.

Dammy doesn't have a clue about system internals or coding - he can't really answer any criticism, let alone your yelling. I don't know why he's part of the team - but they apparently forgot to lock him up in the cellar, so he's doing what he's always doing: He's hyping his pet project of the week in the forums.

You can blame Arix foundation for not locking him up in time, but you can't really blame him for not providing answers. That's a job for someone else, and that someone is apparently not yet ready to speak.

@EDanaII

Actually that's for Dammy to explain. You need to ask him. I already know what it is.

@xe54

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will it be open source in the same vein as AROS or is this a commercial product and if so what price it will be available for.

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Arix Foundation Corp partners are still active with the AROS development as both groups will benefit from each others work to some degree. Much like Apple’s relationship with open source community via Darwin.

I would sadly expect it to be a commericial product...

@Tomas
I had a very early run with ARIX in 2012. Trust me it is not another Linux hosted OS.
You will not think about what Kernel is in use... why?
1. It will run the same binaries as AROS
2. It will work on your HW which will make you happy if AROS didn't.
3. It boots freaking fast. Faster as AROS native nowadays. (At least the old ARIX build i tried, have no time to lurk everywhere ; ) )

I am only concerned about how much manpower will be splitted between AROS and ARIX. Who know maybe we will give a shi* about old AROS.. not sure.

Lean back and see. Give them a chance. The counter was started too early ; ) But hey the result will make you happy.

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@phoenixkonsole
Are you sure that reply was intended for me? Because I have not really claimed anything about it being another linux distro.
It does worry me a bit though, but I have really no idea what this project will lead to.
I would not care much about kernel if it actually ends up having binary compatibility and behaves/is responsive like I would expect from a Amiga OS clone.

@phoenixkonsole

This sounds like another hosted version of Aros and if it's binary compatible with the current Aros, them I welcome it. I'm not a Linux hater, but out of the 1000+ Linux distros, I don't think there's anything compelling enough about a new distro that will make me want to try another distro. I'm quite happy with Ubuntu. I would still prefer a native Aros over a hosted version. Nothing "wrong" with a hosted OS but I prefer a native OS talking directly to the hardware as opposed to an OS that sits on top of an "alien" kernel that has to pass all of its system calls thru a translation layer to the kernel hosting it.

@phoenixkonsole

Dont explain ... others will always know better:
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{stubborn voice} ... I already know what it is. ...{/stubborn voice}

You may remember there was a crazy manger who told us the next AmigaOS Kernel will be very Unix like and every task will have its own address space. He wrote it here on this forum ....

'grins'

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@ferrels

Using the Linux kernel doesn't make it another Linux. You may continue to insist it would, but you are wrong. As CGutjahr explained: userland is not GNU/Linux style, but AROS. The Linux kernel is just utilized by AROS. It's really not that much different to using Gallium drivers on OS4.
If done remotely right ARIX will probably be better for users than AROS (except AROS 68k which has the advanage of being binary compatible to AOS).

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@Zylesea

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It's really not that much different to using Gallium drivers on OS4.

Kernel is something muchmore important than 3D drivers, I fear. However, I like idea of union of Linux and AROS. Best of both worlds.

@thread

If I was a piano player, or a messenger, I'd feel very uneasy around you Gentlemen.....

(Decaf, folks, let's see what they have to say. I don't much care if it's late, as long as it arrives.)

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If Arix means haveing all the drivers that Linux has AROS have made huge step forward in the right direction. From one of the screenshots I also see 2 cores working. Not sure what that means but must be something also in the right direction ;)

Who does realy care what kernel is used as long as the OS is still Amiga like and runs the software as normal.

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Decaf is boring. Give me a good strong roast ;)

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@EDanaII

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EDanaII wrote: @ ferrels Can you tell us what the difference between this Linux Kernel -> Linux OS -> AROS and this Linux Kernel -> AROaS In most people's view, one of these is hosted and the other is not. Can you see the difference? Ed.

There's no difference, in fact. A Linux distro is an o.s. which uses Linux as the kernel.

The userland and/or the window manager has no relevance in this.

@thread

This post is going to sound very negative, but I can't deny my disappointment that we have another closed-source Amiga-like OS in our little community. I'm sticking my neck out here, but I've never believed closed-source was the best thing for the Amiga and I'm not totally convinced by this new direction.

To me, commercial development doesn't deliver much advantage unless someone's working full-time on a salary. The speed of development will still ebb and flow with the enthusiasm and commitments of the contributors just like any open-source project. Except there's no safety net, less chance for other devs to step in, and a divide between users and developers.

I have huge respect for the devs involved in ARIX and nothing I say changes my gratitude for what they've done for AROS already, but I have to question the model. If I'm supposed to believe this will deliver something that open-source can't, then why isn't AmigaOS moving forward with its greater user base and brand recognition?

If closed-source is a more sustainable model of development than the bounty system, then why did Hyperion's devs turn to the bounty system to deliver an application as important as Timberwolf?

Haiku on the other hand have their own sort of foundation to steer the project, raise money to pay devs to work full-time for months and coordinate Google Summer of Code involvement, while still producing an OS that is FOSS. It was professionalism not commercialism that enabled that.

Technically I'm very interested. Whatever ferrels said, this doesn't look like any Linux distro I've ever seen before. An SMP-enabled AmigaOS that boots on most x86 machines. A path towards memory protection. That's all very mouth-watering, but the closed-source issue is a major one for me and I'd like to some more information about how much code will be committed back. I still genuinely hope that this delivers real benefits for AROS.

Chris

@clebin

I'm sure It is something that I did not get, but where does it say it is closed source ?

Seams kinda strange that something based on Linux kernel and AROS is closed source.
Is that even possible ?

For that matter I'm not sure closed source needs to be a bad thing. I'm kind of split in that matter. It is nice to share and without open source programs like webkit or mplayer Amiga and alternatives would for sure be dead long time ago.

@nikosidis

That was my assumption from it being a commercial project. Also the comparison with Darwin vs OS X, which is an open-source base and closed-source extensions. There's nothing in the APL that prevents that. As far as Linux goes, you've got to pay to use RedHat too, although there's the free CentOS version. I'm not an expert so I don't know how much code would be required to be opened.

If I'm wrong and I've wasted my time writing all that, then I'll still be very happy!

Chris

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