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wawa 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 11:59:06
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remains to be seen if there are more than ten apps to be released in those appstores, wheter os4 or whatever. i dont think the distribution is a problem. the problem is manpower. appstore at hand may encourage commercial develppment, but ive serious doubts that there are more than a few able to take part in this.

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Overflow 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 12:03:23
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@imagodespira

:)

You make a VERY good point. I keep getting carried away when it comes to reality vs dreams.

Steam did also focus on Windows until quite recent.

Wava;

Also a good point about software available, but a "one stop shop" with a streamlined method of
buying and installing would hopefully increase sales somewhat.
Considering AEON seems hellbent on making their hardware platform as successful as they
realistically can, a "software" hub/client seems like another buildingblock in that project.

Need vision and a "roadmap" to get anywhere (with a solid pinch of pragmatism mixed in).

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phoenixkonsole 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 12:24:13
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@imagodespira
Well the 25% are set as standard value if you register. Conditions can be set for each developer individually.
Factors could be the ratio between bandwith/revenue/number of uploaded apps. Remember that it will be multiplatform and that 25% are not much compared to similar services. Be sure that i will do it fair for amigans.

The client application will show only software for the host os but you can change the filter to see and buy software for other platforms. Classic software for example works on windows, linux, os x, aros, mos and amigaos.

The client keeps stuff updated and you can login on different platforms and use your stuff.

In the midterm i plan to pay interests for amicoins.
I see it also this way:
i will throw in a bit off pocket money in form of cashbacks for my customers (aresone, amc, gemz, aeros for pi and so on)
This means there will be a bit of money to fetch. Means: you can't loose because there is no fee for uploading and you can win because there is a chance to get additonal sales.

Also it is possible that other Maintainers add the client to their distribution. In that case it could be considered to give a part of the 25% or whatever % to the Maintainer.

In Phase 3 amicoins can be used also outside the marketplace (donate buttons)

Since there is no one-time fee i would be glad to see your games there too ; )

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vox 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 12:30:30
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@wawa

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remains to be seen if there are more than ten apps to be released in those appstores, wheter os4 or whatever. i dont think the distribution is a problem. the problem is manpower. appstore at hand may encourage commercial develppment, but ive serious doubts that there are more than a few able to take part in this.


Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, RadeonHD driver are nice start, Libre to follow.
Surely, its better to follow then not, and it would be nice if all AmigaOS
related games and software (e.g. PageStream, AMCC, MACE, Quake 2 ...)
would be sold via it, since they are now scattered over websites and 3
Amiga webshops and there is no centralized way to buy them.

In other words it is AEON store, but shouldnt be just that.

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djrikki 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 13:08:08
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So is there a screenshot anywhere downloadable of AmigaOS running LibreOffice?

Secondly arenthere any AmigaOS 4.2 screenshots about anywhere publicly?

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Thematic 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 13:17:41
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@djrikki

How do you "grab" an OS anyway?

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pavlor 
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@djrikki

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Secondly arenthere any AmigaOS 4.2 screenshots about anywhere publicly?


In Trevor´s presentation is look at Cyrus Kickstart boot screen - Kickstart 54.5 is pobably 4.2.

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Morphix 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 13:31:20
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@thread

This is going to be a very strong year for the Amiga!

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Seiya 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 13:57:35
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Quote:

Overflow wrote:
@Seiya

WHEN the 3d drivers/OS support arrives, the load on the CPU will be reduced.


ok, but 1,5 Ghz for core..seems too low frequencies even if it is a quad core.
Well, wee see how it works when this cpu will be integrated on next AmigaOne X

meanwhile someone with X1000 could test 3D support with linux :)

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pavlor 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 14:13:43
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@Seiya

Quote:
meanwhile someone with X1000 could test 3D support with linux :)


If your request is as nice as usual...

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thinkchip 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 14:58:44
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@thread

Maybe with three models we'll have a low-cost model, a medium-cost model, and a loaded one? LibreOffice sounds more advanced than recent talk indicated. I hope they maintain file compatibility. There's lots of interesting news this year, but actual products you can buy seem at least a year away. It sounds like I won't be putting away my knitting for another year.

I wonder if anyone could do a comparison of Cyrus 2 and X1000. They seem to have similar features.

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WolfToTheMoon 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 15:10:21
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@thinkchip

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Maybe with three models we'll have a low-cost model, a medium-cost model, and a loaded one?


I was expecting that Acube would reveal something affordable, but alas no.
I rather doubt any of the Cyrus MB will be low cost - considering SAM460 is around 1000 euros complete system and what Trevor said in his talk, I would guess

Cyrus P5040 - similar price to X1000 > 2500- 2700 EUR(inlc VAT)
Cyrus P5020 - 2300 EUR
Cyrus P3041 - 1800 - 2000 EUR

for complete systems.

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Rob 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 15:17:36
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@WolfToTheMoon

Probably realistic pricing but they will also be selling bare boards which will at least lower the pricing a bit for international users.

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pavlor 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 16:00:41
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@thinkchip

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I wonder if anyone could do a comparison of Cyrus 2 and X1000. They seem to have similar features.


Cyrus supports PCIe 2.0 and DDR3 memory, X1000 only PCIe 1.0 (but has true PCIe x16 - 2x faster than PCIe 2.0 x4 in Cyrus).
Cyrus design allows to use multiple SoCs (P3041, P5010, P5020, P5040). Cyrus design is more simple - no need for additional SouthBridge, Freescale SoC are affordable, not EoL.

P5020 could be up to 2x faster in integer operations than PA6T, but lacks AltiVec. If that is true, it will be faster or at least as fast as PA6T in most applications (even AltiVec depending).

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Spectre660 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 16:42:12
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@pavlor

According to the press release Cyrus Plus has PCIe-x16,PCIe-x4 and 2 PCIe-x1

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Posted on 20-Oct-2013 16:43:40
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Is XMOS included on the Cyrus plus?
I haven't heard it mentioned...

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pavlor 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 16:52:38
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@Spectre660

Quote:
According to the press release Cyrus Plus has PCIe-x16,PCIe-x4 and 2 PCIe-x1


That PCIe x16 has only x4 bandwith (like on SAM460EX, but PCIe is 2x faster - it is effectively PCIe 1.0 x8).

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pavlor 
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Posted on 20-Oct-2013 16:54:45
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@WolfToTheMoon

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Is XMOS included on the Cyrus plus?


Yes.

Quote:
I haven't heard it mentioned...


Xena chip/Xorro combination (enhanced)

Source: press release

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Trixie 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 16:56:50
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@WolfToTheMoon

I did hear Trevor mention Xena and Xorro.

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amigakit 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 20-Oct-2013 17:08:03
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Both Xorro and Xena are present on the Cyrus motherboard.

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