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wawa 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 2:58:00
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@number6
Quote:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/40004768


are these feeds still being captured withz a dv cam?

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KimmoK 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 6:58:57
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Nice to read nice news.

What I like the best:
-new high end systems are being made (even if I prefer simpler designs) and soon in betatesting
-AUDIO from RadeonHD enables cheaper HW (one can simply use the 30eur PPC + RadeonHD to form a multimediacomputer)
-secondary Audio solution for Cyrus was revealed (nr one is via RadeonHD)
...

What I did not like:
-no info about new affordable AOS4 HW solutions
-multicore support was not yet demoed yet
-Gallium3D+HWacceleration was not demoed yet?
-No info about progress in >2GB RAM or memory protection support.
...

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Xmas87 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 7:03:01
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@wawa

Of course, unless you have an HD digital capable Video Toaster!
You see the Amiwest guys USE Amigas. The whole show is recorded and mixed with a Video Toaster 4000.

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Hypex 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 7:40:53
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@KimmoK

Quote:
(one can simply use the 30eur PPC + RadeonHD to form a multimediacomputer)


The day a PPC is 30EU is the day I'll buy a NextGen X1000!

Quote:
-no info about new affordable AOS4 HW solutions


ACube filling the spot?

The cheapest would be a generic x86 mobo. I have a solution for this. Do it the Amithlon way and run OS4 on an emulator. Compile OS4 programs using custom x86 compiler that runs code native and has emulation hooks for OS calls. Kernel would remain PPC. Well not a perfect solution but it would work on cheap hardware. Would it be that slow? And when Amithlon came out people wanted to scrap the updated NextGen OS4 PPC and instead emulate an old 68K version of AmigaOS and call that OS4. Crazy!

But I saw their point.

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-No info about progress in >2GB RAM or memory protection support.


Also there is no mention of program threads I know of. Nor Unix type files mapped to memory. Nor a POSIX API layer so that Unix based apps can compile out of the box. I don't know how Windows does it apart from popularity but most source code I see is made to compile and run on a Unix based system. No wonder Apple chose this.

Last edited by Hypex on 21-Oct-2013 at 02:41 PM.
Last edited by Hypex on 21-Oct-2013 at 07:43 AM.

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vox 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 8:10:23
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@Hypex

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ACube filling the spot? The cheapest would be a generic x86 mobo. I have a solution for this. Do it the Amithlon way and run OS4 on an emulator. Compile OS4 programs using custom x86 compiler that runs code native and has emulation hooks for OS calls. Kernel would remain PPC. Well not a perfect solution but it would work on cheap hardware. Would it be that slow? And when Amithlon came out people wanted to scrap the updated NextGen OS4 PPC and instead emulate an old 68K version of AmigaOS and call that OS4. Crazy!


Nice idea, could QEMU or Apple Rosetta stone aid it? Surely, Hyperion will not go that road
(selling PPC emu + OS 4.1) unless PPC hardware really goes out.

On Amithlon case, I doubt people ever called that OS4, just advanced
emulation. And since Amithlon was out as early as 2001, I doubt OS4
was even in plan at that time. It was time of community on its own,
with MorphOS, AROS and Amithlon as it peak.

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/emulators/amithlon.html

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gregthecanuck 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 10:07:33
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Quote:
Hypex wrote:

The day a PPC is 30EU is the day I'll buy a NextGen X1000!


Applied Micro makes a nice APM82181 single core 1GHz PPC with a PCI-Express port that can be had for under $30 USD. Here is the link: http://parts.arrow.com/item/detail/appliedmicro/apm82181-ske1000t

When will you be ordering your X1000?

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wawa 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 10:08:56
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@Xmas87

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You see the Amiwest guys USE Amigas. The whole show is recorded and mixed with a Video Toaster 4000.


actually i dont see it. it looks quite raw. what do you need video toaster here for?

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wawa 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 10:19:22
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@Hypex

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The cheapest would be a generic x86 mobo. I have a solution for this. Do it the Amithlon way and run OS4 on an emulator. Compile OS4 programs using custom x86 compiler that runs code native and has emulation hooks for OS calls. Kernel would remain PPC. Well not a perfect solution but it would work on cheap hardware. Would it be that slow? And when Amithlon came out people wanted to scrap the updated NextGen OS4 PPC and instead emulate an old 68K version of AmigaOS and call that OS4. Crazy!


in the meantime you can use the real amithlon with the 68k system, there were even other possibilkities to get uae hosted like xamiga:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=33024
alas the site is down, but it might havwe been hosted or improved somewhere else. one needs to ask around perhaps on a1k. but you can apparently even make windows invisible if it boithers you under winuae. im not sure if you would have noticed difference so much.

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Also there is no mention of program threads I know of. Nor Unix type file mapped to memory. Nor a POSIX API layer so that Unix based apps can compile out of the box. I don't know how Windows does it aprt from popularity but most source code I see is made to compile and run on a Unix based system. No wonder Apple chose this.


sounds like you are arix user candidate, i guess.

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Hondo 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 10:25:01
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@wawa @hypex

See this new thread which is more suited for such a discussion (and you wont take this one off topic)

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38299&forum=14

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wawa 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 10:25:45
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@vox

Quote:
It was time of community on its own,
with MorphOS, AROS and Amithlon as it peak.


guess community on its own had better ideas and these were genuinely better times.

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wawa 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 10:37:56
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@Hondo

thanks, will do.

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umisef 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 10:47:15
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@vox

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And since Amithlon was out as early as 2001, I doubt OS4
was even in plan at that time.


Even the current incarnation of 4.0 was. The original OS4 that preceded it (and the original AmigaONE that went with it) had already been abandoned

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Hondo 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 11:01:57
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@umisef

Hi Umisef, please also see this thread and perhaps give your good thoughts to my friends oppinion. (and dont take this thread off-topic)

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38299&forum=14

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Severin 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 14:12:47
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@vox

Quote:

vox wrote:
@pavlor

I bit agree with him. X2000, X2040, X2020, X2000/20,X2000/40 ...


I agree with the X to show it's neXt generation but I think the numbering should be different..

The first digit should be the CPU class so for the Cyrus 3 or 5, the second digit should be the number of cores. Then two zeros as that's an amiga tradition and if Trevor really needs to have a slash have the first 2 digits of the speed...

eg.

X3100/15
X5200/20
X5400/24

This way the numbers actually mean something and not just a name

Quote:
More important ...

DOES THIS MEAN I CAN BUY CYRUS PLUS AND UPGRADE CPU LATER TO PPC64 x4 cores?


No the CPU is soldered on.

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wawa 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 14:23:26
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@Severin

mygod, is numbering and "a" or "x" prefix so much worth the discussion?

epic fail here:
https://www.google.de/search?q=x500&rlz=1C1CHFX_deDE558DE558&oq=x500&aqs=chrome..69i57.2018j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#es_sm=93&espv=210&q=x+1000

https://www.google.de/search?q=x500&rlz=1C1CHFX_deDE558DE558&oq=x500&aqs=chrome..69i57.2018j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#es_sm=93&espv=210&q=a+1000

both alternatives are far to generic to give any relevant google result..

i wonder, is naming conventions so important subject to discuss after another amiwest full of tottaly exciting announcements but apparently without any tangible results presented.

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Hypex 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 14:49:34
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@gregthecanuck

Quote:
Here is the link:


Good find. But does it need flash? I don't see any details about the CPU. What happened to text? Is text dead? Even HTML emails aren't attached anymore and I can't see any text in YAM/

Quote:
When will you be ordering your X1000?


If they build a new X1000 with this as the CPU I will!

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Overflow 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 14:58:33
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From: Norway

@wawa

I agree with you about too much fuzz over naming A or A. Personally Ive gotten used to the X perfix, tho I usually always search using "amiga x1000" to get any meaningful hits.

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Hypex 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 15:00:14
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From: Greensborough, Australia

@vox

QEMU could work. I doubt Hyperion would go down that road regardless and it would be like adding insult to injury. It's good they can generate a 10 year hardware roadmap but there also needs to be a point. For OS4 what is the point? Unless there is a point to OS4 there is no point progressing it. I use it myself but I do wonder outside of my computer existence what is the point?

Perhaps it was just the Amiga people in my local Amiga clubs but they saw Amithlon as AmigaOS on x86. And truely, a few thought OS4 should be dumped and replaced by Amithlon.

As to timing, well Bernie attended my Amiga clubs, so I could see it before it was released commercially. And I also remember him asking me what is going to come out first, OS4 or Amithlon. The answer was obvious, Amitlhon, and it did. I knew it would and I hated that fact.

It wasn't until 2004 that we saw the year of the "OS". It was then OS4 came out in public and not even as a full version but as a developer pre-release.

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Hypex 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 15:03:28
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@Hondo

Have seen the thread and I certainly will be contributing!

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KimmoK 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 21-Oct-2013 15:26:49
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@gregthecanuck

"Applied Micro makes a nice APM82181 single core 1GHz PPC with a PCI-Express port that can be had for under $30 USD. Here is the link: http://parts.arrow.com/item/detail/appliedmicro/apm82181-ske1000t "

Yes, that's the one.
It should outperform my SAM440 easily (faster core and L2). Only handicap remaining the RAM amount.
(full built PPC system can cost below 200eur)

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