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wawa 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 29-Oct-2013 0:36:22
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@amigadave

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lack of communication, and keeping important information from the AmigaOS4.x users is my chief complaint with Hyperion and the one thing I would most like to see changed in how they operate.


has been requested for years. not going to change.

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RobertB 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 29-Oct-2013 3:11:25
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terminills wrote:
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I was pointing out from the OS development side it really looked like nothing has happened in the last year.

44 changes to OS 4.1 Update 6 since Amiwest 2012. Source - http://update.amigaos.net/

Truly,
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sundown 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 29-Oct-2013 4:44:01
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@wawa

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the actual problem is, we deep in our armchairs have to do with an "arm chair" company on the other side. because a real company would actually have to find ways to develop the business plan to convince investors and clients, instead to throw statements like "everything is a subject to change without notice" at the crowd, loyal, come whatever will be, will be.

You forget its a private company, they have no need to please anyone.
We all know 100% of the users will never be happy, no matter what is done. The pay tells the ones doing all the work to make "yourself" happy & screw the ones who bitch. There was a time when the developers & Hyperion payed attention to the forums, but not any more, they were chased off. Talking to them in private, they will not be returning any time soon, the trolls win this one, & I am done with these stupid arguments.

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wawa 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 29-Oct-2013 7:11:22
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@sundown

mmm. a private company does not need to please or attract customers. its the other way around. one learns avaery day something new about commerce. must be a key to succes ive been told here.

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KimmoK 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 29-Oct-2013 8:33:34
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@xena subsystem

x2000 series should come with xorro cards to make xena usefull.
Alternatives (buyer to choose) could be:
-catweasel kind of board
-4 joy port adapter
-board with AV out
-board with AV out and in
-board with DTV out (!!!) and in
-board with prototyping area for HW geeks
-board with AAA and video out


And if that can not be done, then ad headers to the motherboard from where one can wire xena I/O to D9 ports to front/rear of the case (for digital joysticks, serial ports etc.)

@TrevorD

Next we should have "A1-X500" cheap HW (1Ghz+, MAX 500eur).
Anything like that cooking with Aeon+ACube?

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OlafS25 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 29-Oct-2013 9:09:42
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@sundown

"You forget its a private company, they have no need to please anyone."

I must agree there to Wawa. Sentences like this show how far the "Amiga market" is away from normal world. A private company HAS to please customers because it wants to get money from them. Only if you have a user base that buys everything at any price with lowest expecations and highest brand loyality you can afford to act this way. And as long people keep on thinking (and acting) this way nothing will change.

And regarding "chasing away Hyperion and the Frieden brothers". I am far away from defending every comment against them but to make everything black and white does not descibe reality either. I can remember to find old threads where all was peaceful up to the moment where one of the Friedens popped and started to bash. So I think they did their part either.

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lylehaze 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 29-Oct-2013 19:09:36
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@KimmoK

I develop some Xena utilities, but I am NOT an employee of AmigaKit. These responses are my personal opinion on the matter:

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x2000 series should come with xorro cards to make xena usefull.

Xorro cards are available for purchase. Including them with every machine would raise prices for those who don't have an interest in Xena

Quote:
Alternatives (buyer to choose) could be:

Whatever the end user chooses to create. The inclusion of Xena is intended to allow the more "tech savvy" users to create their own projects.

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then ad headers to the motherboard from where one can wire xena I/O to ..
And that is exactly what the Xorro board is. An open breadboard for whatever you choose to add.


I have unfortunately been too busy with other things to continue with my own Xena/Xorro projects(s). Hopefully that will change in the near future. The Xena chip is has some unique capabilities that I look forward to exploring.

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SACC-dude 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 29-Oct-2013 22:43:23
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@OlafS25
You and wawa are just trolls...

No company, no PERSON can meet "your" standards.

I use pcs, macs, amigas, ...all kinds of products.

None of these are perfect, the companies and people who work for them are not perfect.

I and many people are very well pleased with what we paid for, use and how we get support.

You are not, fine, get over yourself and stop bitching at every chance you see.

STOP trolling.

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Darrin 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 29-Oct-2013 22:47:02
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@OlafS25

"A private company HAS to please customers because it wants to get money from them"

I assume you haven't seen "Office 2013" then? My eyes are still hurting.

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wawa 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 29-Oct-2013 23:48:43
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@Darrin

hmm, if you say so, i have a trial on the surface, but skipped it in favour of libre office, which is half broken but within acceptable limits;). otherwise i must admit im pretty positivly surprised with win8 everybody was bitching about.

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wawa 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 29-Oct-2013 23:52:01
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@SACC-dude

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No company, no PERSON can meet "your" standards.


ermm, no..

there is a number of persons that meet my standards even in the widest understood amiga scene. and also there are still are some companies that behave as such.

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mbrantley 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 30-Oct-2013 0:14:58
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wawa and olaf,

Not in my wildest imagination can I conceive of either of you becoming an A-Eon or a Hyperion customer. I bet you can't either. So what in the world are you guys on about? Are you trying to stick up for those of us who are users of the current AmigaOS and its associated hardware? Don't worry about me.... I am a happy customer. Particulary A-Eon, ACube and AmigaKit have my top respect. I was there at AmiWest in person and came home not feeling any wool has been pulled over my eyes.

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Darrin 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 30-Oct-2013 4:27:26
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@wawa

I'm using Windows 8 right now and I was happy to see old games that were broke under Windows 7 suddenly work with a single click under Windows 8. Mind you, the 8.1 upgrade killed off Colonization.

That said, I disabled the Metro interface, installed classic shell and assigned the file types to use the "classic" utilities instead of the "Fisher Price" ones. Once I'd done all that, I'm unaware of the difference between running 7 (on my desktop) and 8.1 (on my laptop).

A simple "Classic Theme" would still have been a good idea and it would have saved Microsoft from a lot of stick.

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wawa 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 30-Oct-2013 7:49:38
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@mbrantley

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Not in my wildest imagination can I conceive of either of you becoming an A-Eon or a Hyperion customer


i *am* hyperion customer.

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netrot 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 30-Oct-2013 8:15:41
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@wawa

back in 2006 or 7 maybe ;)
i was are the right words....

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Seiya 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 30-Oct-2013 8:46:36
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Quote:

OlafS25 wrote:

"You forget its a private company, they have no need to please anyone."

I must agree there to Wawa. Sentences like this show how far the "Amiga market" is away from normal world. A private company HAS to please customers because it wants to get money from them. Only if you have a user base that buys everything at any price with lowest expecations and highest brand loyality you can afford to act this way. And as long people keep on thinking (and acting) this way nothing will change.
.


right

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OlafS25 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 30-Oct-2013 9:06:31
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@Darrin



I have seen Windows 8 that is already enough

@SACC-dude

Interesting that you know "my" standards. What I think is that "custom hardware" without real benefits in 2013 is only vasting of rare resources (money) and should have better invested in the OS instead of new hardware. If that labels me as "troll" then I have to live by it. Almost everyone is already a "troll" so it is not really special today .

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salass00 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 30-Oct-2013 9:51:18
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For those interested:




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Slayer 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 30-Oct-2013 10:00:11
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@salass00

That's a nice change of pace

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mbrantley 
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Posted on 30-Oct-2013 10:15:51
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@salass00

Bravo!

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