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KimmoK 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 30-Oct-2013 10:18:50
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@thread

It would be nice to see some screenshots of xkernell things in use.


For example in 2011 (IIRC) it was said that "more than 2GB" RAM is being worked on.
How is it proceeding?

When we see WB showing "3GB FAST RAM free"?
(assuming 1GB is left for GPU mem etc. and full 64bit is still further in the future ... or does xkernell support it already????)

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@KimmoK

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It would be nice to see some screenshots of xkernell things in use.


It would have been nice if they had a phone photo/video of XKernel's booting for the first time, even with debug output.

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@damocles

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It would have been nice if they had a phone photo/video of XKernel's booting for the first time, even with debug output.

they did have a photo of xkernel booting the first time.

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@eliyahu

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they did have a photo of xkernel booting the first time.


Is it up on the web?

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Is it up on the web?

i don't think so, but i could be wrong. when robert starts posting videos, one of them should be steve's talk, which i think was where it was shown.

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they did have a photo of xkernel booting the first time.

That was a photo of the Cyrus Plus dev board booting AmigaOS for the first time. Cyrus just happens to use the x-kernel exclusively unlike the X1000 which can run either kernel. At some point we'll merge the two kernel streams together of course.

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@ssolie

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That was a photo of the Cyrus Plus dev board booting AmigaOS for the first time. Cyrus just happens to use the x-kernel exclusively unlike the X1000 which can run either kernel. At some point we'll merge the two kernel streams together of course.

ah, cool. thanks for clarification. lovin' the new avatar, by the way.

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@eliyahu

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ah, cool. thanks for clarification. lovin' the new avatar, by the way.

LOL.......

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@ssolie

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That was a photo of the Cyrus Plus dev board booting AmigaOS for the first time. Cyrus just happens to use the x-kernel exclusively unlike the X1000 which can run either kernel. At some point we'll merge the two kernel streams together of course.


What is the x-kernel's maximum RAM?

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btw. if I could choose, I might end up using AOS4 kernell version that does not work with classic apps but would enable new features. (I can use UAE / Amithlon / A4000 for classic SW anyway)
Also if I could use larger amount of RAM, MP and SMP, it most likely would convince me collecting some money for new AOS HW. (I might get new HW for AOS4.Xkernell and leave SAM for ~AOS4.1.6 stuff)


Another idea to enable superb user experience without being AOS4 pro user:
Some beta tester that has a very stably running setup of AOS4+SW for some HW should do an image of the HDD for newbies to get good system instantly. The image should be available only for registered users, of course. For example my current AOS4 setup lacks a lot of nice things and it is too unstable. One big annoyance is if screensaver is enough to crash the system every now and then (common to AOS3 (especially with non CBM screensaver) and AOS4 setups (pretty much any screensaver, but on AOS4 the crash can be hidden by USB instability)).

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@KimmoK

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Some beta tester that has a very stably running setup of AOS4+SW for some HW should do an image of the HDD for newbies to get good system instantly.



Thats why i keep shouting for ONE system with common hardware support. One could optimize it way better.

Also no one has mentioned speeding up their system with a RAD: device.

I would have thought virtual drives, CDs that use memory as its drive that also survives reboot would be king for speed.

Even First fresh install could be direct Image copy to Harddrive partition specific for boot (or emergency boot) then boot super fast drive using high speed memory with RAD: (modified RAD for HD).

I loved the magic of Amiga - it just works on any Amiga eg same A1200 app always worked on another A1200.

With all the extra expansions and other peripherals we have diverted from a common 'always works' mentality to a disheartening 'try if it works' mentality.

Yes we have the right to modify/improve our hardware as we see fit, only as an understanding each time doing so removes oneself from the 'developers core system' which may have less support.

If only we had a profiler that times each AmigaOS function in use, so we can find out where the delays are.

I also hope AmigaOS has facility to slow the processors down to x MHz, 1 core for performance/bottleneck testing.

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>Thats why i keep shouting for ONE system with common hardware support. One could optimize it way better.

Yep.
But when we have several (but not unlimited amount) it might be sane to have images for SAM440ep, SAM460ep and X1000 that are in production & available.

>Also no one has mentioned speeding up their system with a RAD: device.
>I would have thought virtual drives, CDs that use memory as its drive that also survives reboot would be king for speed.

Right! I would use it, a lot. Again, that is.

And if true 64bit is far in future, it might be doable to do some sort of RAD like drive above 4GB.
When no 32bit app can break the data above 4GB it could serve as superb fast system drive (+SWAP) as long as the system is powered up. And when shutting down user can tell the system to save the data back to real HDD. To not to loose work data in power out one should have the work partition on real HDD anyway.

>Even First fresh install could be direct Image copy to Harddrive partition specific for boot (or emergency boot) then boot super fast drive using high speed memory with RAD: (modified RAD for HD).

+1

Another grazy idea: (brainfart (tm))
Load the system to RAD from PPC local bus connected flash RAM, already before HDD has spinned up. That way also the cold boot could be 2x faster than it is now.
(on SAM440, the system flash could be on the LatticeXP expansion connector and on x1000 it could be on the xorro slot)


>With all the extra expansions and other peripherals we have diverted from a common 'always works' mentality to a disheartening 'try if it works' mentality.

Yep. I think that's one of the core reasons for aeon to rather sell full systems.
And that's why I bought SAM440ep-mini. I thought it is the most reliable option. A bit like macmini for MOS. (in reality my SAM is not as stable as my 68k systems at their best shape)

I imagine that if we one day have Soc with one Power8 core + NVIDIA GPU, it might be damn nice to build stable basic system around. (not holding my breath to see power8+Nvidia GPU SoC, though)

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Re: amiwest news
Posted on 31-Oct-2013 15:49:49
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@thread

Podcast with AmiWest 2013 review.

Length 13 minutes and 1/2 way into the podcast, just past the 13 minute mark.

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pcos/os4-podcast-oct.mp3

about 26 Meg total.

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@number6

Gave it 30 seconds. Guy sounds like a douche and about as objective as a salem witch trial judge...

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eliyahu 
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@number6

thanks for the link. tried to stay with it, but after tarring certain people as 'sleazy' and A-EON's investment as being 'crazy as s***,' i had to give up. i'm sure he's well-meaning and all, but i still don't understand his fascination with the amiga platform given what he does.

oh well. maybe he secretly wants to be one of us?

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is he smoking something?

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@Xmas87

What is the obsession with ergot in this community? ;\

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but i still don't understand his fascination with the amiga platform given what he does.


Given what he does, I can fully understand a fascination with the Amiga platform.

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@number6

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number6 wrote:
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Podcast with AmiWest 2013 review.

Length 13 minutes and 1/2 way into the podcast, just past the 13 minute mark.


Can't stress this enough. You can skip the first 13.5 minutes.

I managed a further 4 minutes of rambling, (what sounds like) coke-sniffing weirdness, but it is what it is - a curious outsider's view. Can't vouch for the remaining 9 minutes.

btw Roberto, if you've ever seen or had any insight intoan actual trainwreck you would know better than to try to use it in humour.

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oh well. maybe he secretly wants to be one of us?

One of us! One of us!

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