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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 8-Aug-2014 16:58:07
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@Hypex

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Which is one of the main reasons years ago they didn't want to go x86. Competing with Windows.


You mean that is what was publically stated, right?

Jeremy Reimer of Ars Technica had a different explanation.

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Unfortunately, the owners of Amiga OS 4 cannot legally port to x86. For convoluted and boring legal reasons, that right belonged to Gateway Computers when they bought out the remains of Commodore from the bankruptcy of Escom Computers


page source

Not going to argue it. You decide.

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 8-Aug-2014 17:20:31
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@number6

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WinUAE 2.8.2 beta 9 with PPC


Tried and failed. UAE freezes when I run WarpOS applications.

Edit: I used bad CS rom...

Now PowerPC emulation works.

SysSpeed numbers (on Core i5-2500 3.3 GHz):
MIPS: 43.55
MFLOPS: 75.23

For comparison SysSpeed result of CyberstormPPC 604e 200 MHz:
MIPS: 271.47
MFLOPS: 179.23

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 8-Aug-2014 21:51:24
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Wow pretty impressive it works. So on my lame dual core 2ghz dell1525 prolly slow as hell. lol

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 9-Aug-2014 7:30:09
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number6 wrote:
@Hypex

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Which is one of the main reasons years ago they didn't want to go x86. Competing with Windows.


You mean that is what was publically stated, right?

Jeremy Reimer of Ars Technica had a different explanation.

Quote:
Unfortunately, the owners of Amiga OS 4 cannot legally port to x86. For convoluted and boring legal reasons, that right belonged to Gateway Computers when they bought out the remains of Commodore from the bankruptcy of Escom Computers


page source

Not going to argue it. You decide.

#6

It's wrong:

"Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and subsequent versions of AmigaOS including without limitation AmigaOS 5) in any form, on any medium and for any current or future hardware Platform"

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 9-Aug-2014 10:16:54
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Tested little bit more:

ADoomWOS 1.7 works (freezes after some play, but emulation continues). There is problem with bus speed (must be set manualy), so benchmarking is not possible (I guess I get 15 FPS on notebook I use right now) - I think same problem affects also WarpHexen and WarpHeretic.

WarpQuake - runs, but emulation freezes when attempting to run demo.
QuakeWOS - freezes emulation.
AWinQuake - seems to be same bus speed problem (PPC emulation crashes, 68k continues).
WarpSNES - runs and crashes.
lamewos3.98.4 - crashes entire emulation.

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 9-Aug-2014 11:04:13
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It seems there is rapid progress with emulation since PowerUp kernel is working now.

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 9-Aug-2014 11:33:23
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@cdimauro


Quote:


It's wrong:

"Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and subsequent versions of AmigaOS including without limitation AmigaOS 5) in any form, on any medium and for any current or future hardware Platform"



That's a public statement however based on actions I would say it seems false.
The only thing ever seen was the stipulated settlement not the final one.

There is also rumor that Amino never got the rights for anything beyond powerpc in the first place. If Amino never had the right to branch off to different architectures then Hyperion would not be able to do it now.

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 9-Aug-2014 11:38:25
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@terminills

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That's a public statement however based on actions I would say it seems false.


You can read terms of September 30 2009 Settlement Agreement yourself.

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 9-Aug-2014 11:39:35
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@terminills

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There is also rumor that Amino never got the rights for anything beyond powerpc in the first place.


They marketed OS3.9 - not PowerPC I think.


Edit: What about AmigaDE - that is multiplatform software.

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
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@last page or so

please take the offshoot discussion here

Thanks.

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 9-Aug-2014 11:58:30
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@pavlor


"STIPULATED JUDGMENT"

IE a legal judgement however Hyperions rights still stem from what Amino actually owned. So lets say for example maybe Gateway never sold AmigaOS to Amino and merely licensed it for a specific platform say PowerPC. I that case Hyperion would not be able to branch off to another architecture. And lets say Acer now owns the rights to AmigaOS and are looking to revoke the original license from gateway. Where would that leave Hyperion?

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 9-Aug-2014 12:11:30
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@number6

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please take the offshoot discussion here


Sorry.

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
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@pavlor

Don't be sorry. It's my fault for posting a link intended for inclusion in the history of Amiga. I would assume he had a source for his information, given the 10 years of work on the topic. *shrug*

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
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@terminills

I see you added to your posting.

If you want to continue the discussion please take it to thread I linked to previously.

WinUAE is that rare topic that seems to have garnished a lot of interest and we owe it some respect.

Thanks.

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 8:51:14
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With recommended settings (no UAExx devices), emulation seems to be more stable (ADoomWOS runs longer before freeze), still no luck in runing other games. Some smaller utils/demos seem to work (IdleWOS, Voxelrace). Frodo runs, but I didn´t tried any games yet.

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
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@pavlor

It is not always even emulation's fault because often games didnt work properly even on real Amiga.

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 10:42:32
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@pavlor

There is a benchmark for PPC on 3.9
Sysspeed
Im courious to know how much it gave in performances.

This was my Cyberstorm PPC 604e 366@mhz

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 11:04:32
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KimmoK wrote:
@PPC emulation...

It might be interesting to see a poll of how fast x86/x64 computer people have in their household...

Often I see it mentioned how fast g3 emulation can be done on the fastest and most expensive i7 PCs.
Do all people have i7?

My 2year old x64 (3.8Ghz FX4300) can run PPC code roughly at the speed of nintendo Wii. (slower than my slowest MOS HW, faster than my SAM440)

(for Intel system one must have more than 100eur extra vs 4ghz AMD)


Intel Core i7-4790K ("Devil's Canyon") + AMD Radeon HD R9-290 (AeroCool DS case, Win81).



Intel Core i7-3635QM (Ivybridge) + AMD Radeon HD 8870M (laptop, Win8.1).


I'm look forward for future AmigaForever package updates.

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 11:05:14
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@tlosm

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Im courious to know how much it gave in performances.


See my post above (102).

Your 604e 366 MHz is really fast! 10 times faster than 604e 200 MHz? Strange...

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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation.
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 12:21:03
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@pavlor

any tlsom's benchmark is strangely faster

PS

i tried, but PowerPC is not enabled..
i set cyberstorm PPC with memory or without memory, but nothing..
what are the exact request to enable PPC emulation?

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