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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 14:18:13
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AmigaOS4 will be moving target to support fully, as more and more advanced hardware features are supported by AmigaOS4, more and more modern hardware will need to be emulated by WinUAE. |
Since this is for Classic AmigaOS4.x, I don't understand your comment, unless you're indicating more support for classic h/w is coming in a later release for classic? |
Not indicating anything.
Well there is lot stuff you can plug into Mediator PCI slot, I will think that the drivers for PCI cards are more or less the same as one used on AmigaONE.
Well I don't know what ELBOX/INDIVIDUAL COMPUTERS is planing to make or do, but I guess supporting PCIe be the logical step.
Anyway emulators are not restricted to hardware limitations.Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 19-Aug-2014 at 02:19 PM.
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 14:50:33
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Well I don't know what ELBOX/INDIVIDUAL COMPUTERS is planing to make or do, but I guess supporting PCIe be the logical step.
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I doubt it. What PPC expansions there have been in last 15 years? I think there was nothing. And now when WinUAE emulates PPC there is no market for PPC accelerators anymore. This market is finally closed._________________ Amiga Developer Amiga 500, Efika, Mac Mini and PowerBook |
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 14:52:40
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Well there is lot stuff you can plug into Mediator PCI slot |
Then emulate it and take advantage of pci/pcie slots in the pc. Problem solved._________________ Support AROS sponsor a developer.
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 15:28:07
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Well I doubt there be any new accelerator cards for Amiga500, but then some one created ACA500. I don't think I bet on it, when the hardware geeks on Classic Amiga, just do it because they can attitude.
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What PPC expansions there have been in last 15 years? |
There has been two attempts.
http://www.elbox.com/news_00_10_12.html
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http://ultimateppc.nl/
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I think there was nothing. And now when WinUAE emulates PPC there is no market for PPC accelerators anymore. This market is finally closed. |
It just means that they need to put a faster chip on it.
The work Tony has done to make accelerators work in WinUAE by reserve engineering, might be the information needed to make accelerator working on the real hardware. This information might have made it a lot easier to do and a lot more realistic as hardware hobby project.
Now they just need to make hardware compatible, instead of asking Hyperion to make the OS compatible.
The right person will do it because he can, not because it makes any sense at all.
There is also lot hardware upgrades to C64, it does not makes sense to me, but as long as some one is willing to do it its going to happen anyway.Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 19-Aug-2014 at 04:04 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 19-Aug-2014 at 03:43 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 19-Aug-2014 at 03:42 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 19-Aug-2014 at 03:40 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 19-Aug-2014 at 03:31 PM.
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 15:46:19
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 15:48:19
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sorry can't find the 2en don't remember what it was called. |
Perhaps you're thinking of the DMA fixed Mediator and accelerator project.
Regardless, the condition of the remaining stock of sonnets was well known, documented, and stated on this website before.
new PPC cards for classic Amiga
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 15:52:51
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Most of them don't care about ppc anyway. They would be happy with something like the ctx60 for the Atari Falcon.
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 16:08:54
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 16:09:36
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Most of them don't care about ppc anyway. |
People change there minds, look at Tony, he was never going to add PPC emulation to WinUAE, besides. You only need one who knows what he is doing.
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They would be happy with something like the ctx60 for the Atari Falcon. |
Well I have seen some FPGA cores doing 105Mhz, it is possible that real 68060 chips are bit on the slow side this days.Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 19-Aug-2014 at 04:11 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 19-Aug-2014 at 04:10 PM.
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 16:14:49
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No one has posted a news item about this?
This is a news topic after all, Imho.
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 16:17:39
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 16:22:07
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No one has posted a news item about this?
This is a news topic after all, Imho. |
Oddly, it's not a news item on Amiga.org either, where it also has a long forum thread.
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 16:26:01
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Haha, Nope... Still living in the one way system, just in my own place now.
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Guide: WinUAE PPC OS 4.0 Classic Install Guide (Beta 12)
Shortly after this was posted a disclaimer was added.
It should be self explanatory.
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I added that disclaimer myself due to a suggestion made by Toni Wilen in the "WinUAE PPC" thread. I just forgot to do it when I first made the thread :sLast edited by BinoX on 19-Aug-2014 at 04:30 PM.
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 16:28:16
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I added that disclaimer myself due to a suggestion made by Toni Wilen in the "WinUAE PPC" thread. I just forgot to do it when I first made the thread |
A perfectly sane thing to do. It's appropriate and understandable.
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 17:44:25
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Well I doubt there be any new accelerator cards for Amiga500, but then some one created ACA500. I don't think I bet on it, when the hardware geeks on Classic Amiga, just do it because they can attitude.
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And now very big surprise: there is no PPC on ACA 500.
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Anc third from this ACK company nobody heard before. And they all vanished, probably because Hyperion refused to support their accelerator board. Or that they realized there is not enough demand. Whatever. They never materialized.
But really, PPC accelerators are no go because they need software support from Hyperion. And we know Hyperion is not supporting new hardware for free. 68k accelerator boards are easier and cheaper to design because you dont need blessing from OS vendor.
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Now they just need to make hardware compatible, instead of asking Hyperion to make the OS compatible.
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Yeah, in theory it is now possible design PowerUp compatible accelerator boards and show middle finger to Hyperion. There is enough information how it works without having Hyperion to compile new special kernel for you. But it costs a lot because PPC boards have lot more complexity than 68k accelerator boards.
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There is also lot hardware upgrades to C64, it does not makes sense to me, but as long as some one is willing to do it its going to happen anyway.
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How many PPC accelerators there are for C64?
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 19-Aug-2014 18:01:13
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Then emulate it and take advantage of pci/pcie slots in the pc. Problem solved. |
Yes but that wont give the people who like real hardware PCIe slots. |
So I expect that such "coherent" people will never use emulation in any form... |
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 20-Aug-2014 21:04:14
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Since MorphOS has been mentioned in this thread with regards to possibilities and since a thread on this same topic now exists on Morphzone, you should probably read what they have to say before making additional comments and suggestions.
MorphOS on Emulation
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 20-Aug-2014 22:19:46
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ow they just need to make hardware compatible, instead of asking Hyperion to make the OS compatible. |
Yeah, in theory it is now possible design PowerUp compatible accelerator boards and show middle finger to Hyperion. |
I don't think Hyperion care anyway, it takes a lot time to write all the drivers and so on, and they do get the sales, so I see only win win situation here.
Besides ACube-Systems have there own developers writing drivers and so do AEON, it does not seam to be problem that external developers/contractors work on drivers and hardware support.
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But it costs a lot because PPC boards have lot more complexity than 68k accelerator boards. |
maybe but maybe you can get away with 680x0 in FPGA and not buy a real one.
Or perhapses the FPGA'S are also going add to costs, but anyway see that PowerUP cards are selling for more then Sam440 costs. The people who buy this cards don't seam to care what they cost, nor that there faster alternatives for the same price. I realize that the rare, but anyway does not make mutch sense to me.
I'm shore if they produce 10 extremely expensive board some will buy them.Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 20-Aug-2014 at 10:26 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 20-Aug-2014 at 10:22 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 20-Aug-2014 at 10:20 PM.
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 20-Aug-2014 22:26:12
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 21-Aug-2014 2:48:09
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| I don't see a poll answer that suits my case. I have three OS4 native machines (two Sam440ep computers and an X1000) and enjoy them all and expect it will take emulation quite some time to get "up to speed." However, I am excited by its rapid development from nothing to working slowly and so I have ordered AmigaOS 4.1 Classic from AmigaKit. I will test it now and hope to get some good use from it via emulation down the road a ways.
Hyperion should offer this for sale as an ISO download. No need to be shipping cartons across the globe.
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