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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 6-Oct-2015 20:05:06
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| Ive never gotten the impression cdimauro tries to belittle peoples fun.
But when claims about AOS4.x performance vs other OS's are unrealistic, then I dont see any problem arguing against it. I have tons of fun with AOS3.x, but I have no illusion about its performance.
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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 7-Oct-2015 10:44:47
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| @cdimauro
I didn't say it's more solid, I said it's more solid FOR ME. Like I said: I have years of experience with Windows, Mac OSX, Linux and Haiku (and I tried other OS's as well) and AOS4 is the most solid for me. But fine, then don't believe it, you don't have to. I'll keep using my AONE500 with much joy every day because it's so solid and the workflow is great :) But I'm probably the only 23 year old saying that though :P
And in case you misread it: with "solid" and "stable" I meant the fact that I've never had to reinstall (except for 4.1 FE, but that was inevitable for everybody ) or had other weird things that would cause me to reinstall. Performance is a different kind of cake: AOS4 is not the most fluid or fastest OS, I'll admit that right away. Last edited by Vistaus on 07-Oct-2015 at 10:55 AM. Last edited by Vistaus on 07-Oct-2015 at 10:54 AM.
_________________ Proud user of AmigaOS 4.1 on an AmigaONE 500. This is the first Amiga I've ever had so I don't know all the ins and outs of AmigaOS yet, so I'm sorry if I'm asking noob questions and stuff. |
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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 7-Oct-2015 10:46:49
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That looks nice, thank you! I might give that a try when I try Win 10 again in a couple of months :) _________________ Proud user of AmigaOS 4.1 on an AmigaONE 500. This is the first Amiga I've ever had so I don't know all the ins and outs of AmigaOS yet, so I'm sorry if I'm asking noob questions and stuff. |
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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 7-Oct-2015 10:51:10
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Then you didn't read my post either. I didn't say AOS4 has better performance than other OS's. I will be the first one to admit that it's not the fastest OS out there. I only said that for me, after years of using many other OS's, AOS4 is the most STABLE for me. In other words: it doesn't crash or does other weird things that need me to reinstall everything. But yes, I've had some hangs which had caused me to hard reboot and lag more than once on AOS4 so it's not all perfect in performance regard, but again: performance was not what I was talking about. Last edited by Vistaus on 07-Oct-2015 at 10:52 AM.
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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 7-Oct-2015 11:45:02
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Oh, I agree with you in that.
General comments when using a OS/programs comes down to performance based on "numbers". A more subjective quantity Id call "user comfort" is harder to quantify.
For example; I upgraded from Win7 to 8.1 and after a few months of giving it a chance I "downgraded" to Win7 again just cause of the general feel of the OS. Same with Vista.
Same argument can be applied to AOS. So if your overall enjoyment of AOS surpasses WIN, IOS, , then noone can argue against that Last edited by Overflow on 07-Oct-2015 at 11:45 AM.
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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 7-Oct-2015 12:02:45
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| @cdimauro
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I see that it must be difficult for you to accept the reality: what happens with a fragile o.s. which lacks any protection. |
Cesare, I accept OS4 as it is. I don' t expect it to rule the world, but I like it anyway and I like to have an alternative.
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No surprise: I'm used to that... |
Really nothing personal.
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Re: How to make Amiga OS a leading operating system? Posted on 8-Oct-2015 11:03:46
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How would you open source OS4? Different components are owned by different parties. by Rob on 16-Feb-2015 1:44:56 |
Reverse engineering? That's what HP did with my beloved webOS. They wanted to open source it but there were things owned by different parties so they were figuring out what to do. Eventually, they reverse engineered the code to allow for it to be open sourced and so it happened. And now webOS lives on as LuneOS thanks to all of the components being open source.
So yes, it is possible, even for AmigaOS. Of course, it's not gonna happen overnight given that Hyperion has less employees, I'm just saying it's possible 'cause HP managed to do it._________________ Proud user of AmigaOS 4.1 on an AmigaONE 500. This is the first Amiga I've ever had so I don't know all the ins and outs of AmigaOS yet, so I'm sorry if I'm asking noob questions and stuff. |
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Re: How to make Amiga OS a leading operating system? Posted on 8-Oct-2015 11:23:12
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| @Vistaus
but there is already Aros. For what reverse engineering AmigaOS? |
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Re: How to make Amiga OS a leading operating system? Posted on 8-Oct-2015 11:24:11
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"Hyperion has failed to deliver an OS capable of running on hardware that is cheap and powerful enough to appeal to anyone outside of the Amiga community"
Oh, sure, that's why I joined the Amiga community? I've never owned an Amiga in the past (hell, I'm only 23 years old!) and I came to AOS4 by buying an AmigaOne 500 because I like it much better than any other OS I've tried (almost every easily installable one, that is!). So you say it doesn't appeal to anyone outside of the Amiga community? You say I don't exist? Wrong. It does appeal. Even my mum likes it when she sees me working on my AONE500 and I've heard from some people in the Linux community they like it as well.
So yes, it does appeal. To some it appeals enough to say it, to some (I'm talking about people like myself) it appeals enough to buy an AmigaOne. Last edited by Vistaus on 08-Oct-2015 at 11:24 AM.
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Re: How to make Amiga OS a leading operating system? Posted on 8-Oct-2015 11:25:14
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You misunderstood me. I didn't say it should be done, I said it *could* be done if they wanted to. _________________ Proud user of AmigaOS 4.1 on an AmigaONE 500. This is the first Amiga I've ever had so I don't know all the ins and outs of AmigaOS yet, so I'm sorry if I'm asking noob questions and stuff. |
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Re: How to make Amiga OS a leading operating system? Posted on 8-Oct-2015 11:42:23
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Yes even Windows was "reverse engineered". So from a technical point of view it is certainly possible. That is certainly how Aros and MorphOS were developed. Of course not reverse engineering of 4.X but 3.X. Last edited by OlafS25 on 08-Oct-2015 at 11:42 AM.
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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 8-Oct-2015 19:01:45
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| @Vistaus
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Vistaus wrote: @cdimauro
And in case you misread it: with "solid" and "stable" I meant the fact that I've never had to reinstall (except for 4.1 FE, but that was inevitable for everybody ) or had other weird things that would cause me to reinstall.
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Well, I think it's hard to reinstall, since there aren't new major releases of OS4 from long time.
I also doesn't reinstall often my PCs. Starting from Windows 7, I always upgraded them. 
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I only said that for me, after years of using many other OS's, AOS4 is the most STABLE for me. In other words: it doesn't crash or does other weird things that need me to reinstall everything. But yes, I've had some hangs which had caused me to hard reboot and lag more than once on AOS4 |
That's a bit different from what you stated in the other comment. Now you're talking about crashes and hangs, which are very very unlikely to happen on modern o.ses, whereas they are common for all post-Amiga ones.
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I see that it must be difficult for you to accept the reality: what happens with a fragile o.s. which lacks any protection. |
Cesare, I accept OS4 as it is. I don' t expect it to rule the world, but I like it anyway and I like to have an alternative.
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The same for me, with AROS.
However both things don't change the fact that such o.ses are quite fragile, due to the lack of any protection.
And that's what I was referring to: the technical side of the debate. Not the personal feeling, which I share. |
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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 8-Oct-2015 19:04:07
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Well, I think it's hard to reinstall, since there aren't new major releases of OS4 from long time. |
Post you replied mentioned FE... |
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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 8-Oct-2015 19:09:26
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| @pavlor: is it a major release? |
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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 8-Oct-2015 19:18:10
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From my point of view it certainly is.
OS4 numbering is rather conservative, I would call major releases these: 4.0 Final Update (2006) 4.1 (2008) 4.1 Update 1 (2010) 4.1 Final Edition (2014)
You may look at AmigaOS4 article on Wikipedia for short list of major features by every release, or just read respective press-releases. You own assessment of these updates may be different, of course.  |
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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 9-Oct-2015 10:47:20
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So the fact that I do have hangups on Linux and Windows, even on a computer that came pre-installe with Ubuntu by System76 (which I currently have), is "unlikely"? FYI, I'm not doing much on it, mostly web browsing with at most 10 tabs open. And every once in a while a little thing that I can't do on AOS, like loading a leak on me and my mum's BB. Same with 8.1 that I've used for a long time on my previous Surface Pro 3.
But yeah, what you say is the only truth, I'm just a silly guy who makes all this stuff about having hangs and stuff on other OS's, even on dedicated computers, up. I'm not telling the truth about my experience. [/sarcasm]
Btw, I also agree that FE is a major release. It contains all previously released updates AND a host of new features. If that isn't a major release in your opinion, then Windows 8 hasn't seen a major update for a long time either 'cause 8.1 to 8 is exactly the same as AOS 4.1 FE is to the previous 4.1 And Ubuntu 14.04.3 isn't a major release either since it mostly bundles updates, so 14.04 hasn't had a update in a long time either. Last edited by Vistaus on 09-Oct-2015 at 10:52 AM. Last edited by Vistaus on 09-Oct-2015 at 10:50 AM.
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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 9-Oct-2015 10:56:05
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strange... I also use Windows in different versions for many years and cannot remember system hangups, only problems when using browser mostly but those are application related and not caused by system.
But it is ok when you have your fun with your AmigaOS system. I personal could not replace my Windows-PCs with anything amiga-related because of various reasons. It is pure hobby to me and not my main platform. |
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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 9-Oct-2015 11:58:37
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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 9-Oct-2015 14:29:18
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I also use Windows in different versions for many years and cannot remember system hangups, |
Lucky you! It seems you were never Windows ME user.  |
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Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system? Posted on 9-Oct-2015 14:49:47
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my first Windows was Win 95 but cannot remember much from that time. I then used XP, Win 7 and Win 8 and all are stable and useable.
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