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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 2:56:29
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@bison

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Yes, indeed. If I were in the market for a Mini ITX board for Linux I'd get something like this and save a bundle of money. The Tabor is only interesting to me because it will run AmigaOS 4, and only then because of the limited choices available.


That answer only increases my discomfort.
I mean, I've known for a LONG time that things have gone wrong, but WE seem to be contributing to this and that is discouraging.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 6:45:46
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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote:
@Dandy

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Care to explain what "arther" means?


Rather.


Thanks!

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
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@cdimauro

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but now we have a board with costs double or triple the amount of a good PC configuration (for THIS purpose, I mean), which will have bad FPU performance too
...



Sorry, but no - we don't have this board now - at least not I.
I would only have it once I bought it.
And up to now I see no reason to buy it...

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 7:06:48
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I guess A-Eon has decided to follow CBM's footsteps in making decisions that leave everyone scratching their heads. If they want to really follow through, they should go full A600 and cancel the Sam460.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 7:42:16
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@Everblue

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I am in the market for a new board.... and X5000 is beyond my budget. At first I was excited with the "Tabor" board,
...
Will there be another board coming form ACube? or THIS is what's coming from them next with collaboration with A-EON? What are the chances of last minute changes to fix the problems with this board?

Thank you!



Well, given that pavlor wrote in post #23:
Quote:

pavlor wrote:
@imagodespira

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Interesting enough P1022 SoC is more expensive than (much faster and fuly compatible) T1042 SoC
...



, I'd be interested if Tabor comes with a CPU socket, so that the P1022 CPU could easily be replaced by a T1042, which should solve the problems?

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 8:35:56
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@cdimauro

In post #210 you wrote:
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cdimauro wrote:
@bennymee

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Last but not least, Linux (and apps) supports 64-bit (thanks to the 64-bit general purpose registers), so double precision can be supported (with DPESFP) as well.

OS4, instead, runs in 32-bit mode, ...



and in post #215 you wrote:
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cdimauro wrote:
@Tuxedo

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No, but the same should happen with the applications, because you cannot run the same binaries
...



I know your second posting referred to SPE/DPE-SFP, but I also read several times with regard to making OS4.x 64 Bit that this would require a recompilation of the apps.

And this is exactly what I don't understand.

For example, here at work I have an Dell OptiPlex 2010 with 64 Bit quad core cpu, running 64 Bit version of Win7.
I had absolutely no problems to run Xabier Payet's 'SnapShoter' on it, although 'SnapShoter' is a Hollywood program compiled for Win32.

There was no need to re-compile it for 64 Bit - the 32 Bit version simply worked in the 64 Bit environment.
It is completely beyond me why this should not be possible with 64 Bit AmigaOS4.x and 32 Bit Amiga apps...

Can you explain this to me, please?

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 8:42:18
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@pavlor

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The Tabor is only interesting to me because it will run AmigaOS 4,
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Will it?
Do you have links to prove this assumption?

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 8:53:06
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@Dandy

People like us will make sure it does, just as we made sure the X-1000 and the X-5000 did.
And there are more in the pipeline, too...

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 11:20:13
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@CodeSmith

please dont offend a600 it may not have been brilliant forward leading model, but it was a nice compact budget entry proposal. it had some technical advantages beyond previous compact models and was well usable as sort of laptop to work underway, even in comparison to pc laptops, magnitudes more clumsy and expensive. except the kickstart incompatibility (softkick or switcher neccessary) i dont see much handicaps with it, just not much features.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 11:29:33
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@iggy

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Have you noticed that we appear to be faced with a wave of messages intended to convince us that this board's deficiencies are not important and that everyone should just accept them?


Creating a wave of FUD and negativity towards anything Hyperion or A-Eon/Acube are doing - is exactly what you and your fellow troll friends are doing.

I don't see any wave of the sort you're talking about. It's all in your head.

Shut up and give these guys a break - or do you really find it funny to try and destroy the small chances the Amiga community have???

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 11:36:55
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@Hondo

"******* Edit: Removed quoted foul language"

Hondo has your mother teached you such words or are you also using it in normal life except you want to get something on your head.

Better proof Iggy that he is wrong if you can.

So you will buy it I assume?

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 11:49:32
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Better proof Iggy that he is wrong if you can.


The thread proves it by itself - like the many other threads before this one where new hardware/hyperion/a-eon stuff is revealed. They are also quickly destroyed with many negative messages, usually from the same people. It's really sad considering how small our market is.


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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 11:55:33
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It's not for me, but it's great that aOS users are finally seeing new hardware. Yes, it's far more expensive than comparable Windows or OS X machines, but considering the volume that really has to be the case.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 11:55:40
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@Hondo

1000 EUR for 1.2 Ghz embedded system... sorry it is hard to praise it. Most people here live in real world and even smartphones today are propably outperforming it. Additionally the FPU problems affecting AmigaOS software. So I do not understand the design decisions too there, people would have certainly paid a little more if it would be a real upgrade to Sam 460 (if the target market is really AmigaOS).

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 11:59:23
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@persia

I do not think that existing amiga hardware collectors will not buy it because of negative reactions on the threads. Outside the hardcore AmigaOS community certainly noone will buy it (at least I cannot imagine that).

But everybody can spend the money for what he likes

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Posted on 14-Oct-2015 12:18:35
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@Hondo

Quote:

Hondo wrote:
@iggy

Quote:
Have you noticed that we appear to be faced with a wave of messages intended to convince us that this board's deficiencies are not important and that everyone should just accept them?


Creating a wave of FUD and negativity towards anything Hyperion or A-Eon/Acube are doing - is exactly what you and your fellow troll friends are doing.

I don't see any wave of the sort you're talking about. It's all in your head.

Shut up and give these guys a break - or do you really find it funny to try and destroy the small chances the Amiga community have???

fucking asshole(s)!

It is about time you wake up. The chances of even making a healthy NICHE platform are long gone by now.
The PPC platform is entirely dead and no one but a fast shrinking hardcore fanboy base has that kind of money to spend on this hobby. The hardware is not getting faster but instead getting more and more expensive thanks to sticking to PPC platform instead of going for the much affordable platforms like x86/64.
And there is no hope that anything will change, as hyperion only has a license for PPC so OS4.x is beyond saving. The only chance there is of even a small niche platform right now is to either build a OS from scratch that is inspired by Amiga OS, or to invest in MOS or Aros.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 12:32:01
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Tabor will:

1. Be much faster than Sam460 (AmigaOS)
2. Be much cheaper than X5000


Where is the problem here? It's great news.

And yes -> it will be much faster than SAM460, because ACube make it go faster. Even if many of you don't believe it. Technical specs and benchmarks: Ask ACube.




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Posted on 14-Oct-2015 12:39:59
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@Thread

I live on a poverty level income (I'm working on improving that situation). I like AmigaOS4.1, but can no longer justify buying luxury hardware. If my existing hardware, a SAM460ex lite, is faster at some things than the Tabor board, I'll keep the SAM as long as it keeps running. When it dies, I'll probably switch to AROS or MorphOS x86. unless AmigaOS NG hardware has by that time a better cost to performance ratio.

The only way I would buy something with the Tabor specs would be if...
1. It was the specs of an AmigaOS laptop. I would be willing to give up some performance for portability.
2. Nothing else was available at the low end. As long as Acube makes the SAM460cr, there seems to be no reason to buy a Tabor. (I'm not recommending they stop production of the SAM460 until they have something much better)
3. Acube was able to add a FPU coprocessor (like the 68k had 68881/68882), or up the P1022 speed from 1.2 to 1.5 GHz or more (like they upped the SAM440 from 600 to 800 MHz). All for the same price or lower that they quoted.

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Posted on 14-Oct-2015 12:42:16
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@Birbo

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And yes -> it will be much faster than SAM460, because ACube make it go faster. Even if many of you don't believe it.


by what means exactly? sorcery? if so i would start with making current product like sam series a bit faster. wouldnt that be fair?

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 14-Oct-2015 12:49:08
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@wawa

There are no official informations from ACube so far, right?

They will not produce a board which is close in performance to SAM460 - that makes no sense at all.

Tabor will be much faster. How? ACube will tell, as soon as developement has finished.

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