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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 11:47:57
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Then I don't understand why this wasn't changed when they had to re-write the OS to create OS 4.



It was and is being changed.

Functions such as AllocSysObject() GetScreenAttrs() and a whle heap of oters were introduced.

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My POV is that it is better just to re-write the OS once (properly) than to re-write all existing apps.


The gradiual approach enables older software to stay working for longer, why break stuff before you need to? We need the old software.

But newer software written with the new APIs should require less comptatibilty hacks in future.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 11:51:04
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@OlafS25

He's simply calling wawa out on his permanent negativity

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 11:59:07
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@olegil

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olegil wrote:
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Except you had zero questions.


i have expressed considerations, to be answered, if you will.

you are a technical person, im not so much, in this case why do you concentrate on meta discussion about my attitude and posting style instead of simply prove me wrong in the merit.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 12:02:32
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@broadblues

I understood him but I dislike arrogant answers

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 12:03:25
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@OlafS25

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just showing hardware works.


to certain extent. i think the choice of what have been demoed proves that the graphics card that has been mounted works and is well supported under linux (now, the graphics card model has not been mentioned, has it?)

again, this is a consideration, possibly wrong, as i apparently must insist on, not to be haunted for the style of my posts.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 12:12:15
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@broadblues

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He's simply calling wawa out on his permanent negativity


my attitude has not developed out of nothing. i could in turn call you or olegil on your "permament positivity" which i dont see the objective reason for, but i dont. i think if there is people who will defend something no matter the facts, there is also place for people who question this. im sorry to observe that my posting history has proven me right in most disputes i have been taking part so far.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 12:28:32
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@OlafS25

No, he said he doubted a lot and expected a fair amount. Expectation != proof.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 12:33:23
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@olegil

I can make assumptions without having a proof

instead of expect he could have written assume

do you want to discuss about the correct use of language now?

I personal do not care about it finally, the hardware is many years behind modern standards. Trevor D. has written no prices yet, so we will see. It will be something for the fans of AmigaOS in the existing community, not more not less. It will certainly gain much attraction outside. But everyone can spend the money for what he wants. Wawa certainly is not very positive regarding anything AOS4 related but your answers were not really funny either.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 12:38:00
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@wawa

Since I'm not at all positive regarding the news that this board uses a P1022, criticizing me for "permament positivity" seems a bit strange.

I've designed a P1025 board myself (slower cores, slightly different peripherals), and I wish I had waited a bit and gotten a T1025 instead. But what's funny is that my board beat Tabor to the market by YEARS even though I was delayed by about a year in the process (the guy who was doing the software went on paternity leave as well as both of us being reassigned to more critical projects).

I quite strongly feel a P1022 board in 2015 is the WRONG idea. Not because it's impossible to use it or anything, but an e5500 or e6500 would fit so much better with the other boards being released.

But what the heck, now that we're getting hints of e500v2 support in AOS, I have a card here that could be "rerolled" for the Amiga market with minimal hardware effort (namely adding two PCIe slots that I couldn't have fit in our embedded form factor).

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 12:39:44
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@OlafS25

I'm sorry Mr Internet Humour Policeman. If you could send me a list of pre-approved jokes I will be sure to stick with them in the future.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 12:45:35
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@Spectre660

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I wonder if the Tabor would beat the Peg II in the Mplayer Prometheus-trailer benchmark.


Well, if using pure integer the Tabor should beat the PegII as it does a bt more integers 2880MIPS vs. 2300MIPS) and has a much faster bus. _BUT_ - at least on MorphOS - MPlayer uses Altivec which boosts the 7447 performance of the PegasosII quite bit further.
Then again a Pegasos is clocked at just 1 GHz, my Powerbook runs at 1.67 Ghz - there's no doubt the Tabor cannot compete with that.

I am curious for benchmaks.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 12:53:22
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@Zylesea

134 ?

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Zylesea wrote:
@Spectre660

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Spectre660 wrote:
@Zylesea

I wonder if the Tabor would beat the Peg II in the Mplayer Prometheus-trailer benchmark.


Well, if using pure integer the Tabor should beat the PegII as it does a bt more integers 2880MIPS vs. 2300MIPS) and has a much faster bus. _BUT_ - at least on MorphOS - MPlayer uses Altivec which boosts the 7447 performance of the PegasosII quite bit further.
Then again a Pegasos is clocked at just 1 GHz, my Powerbook runs at 1.67 Ghz - there's no doubt the Tabor cannot compete with that.

I am curious for benchmaks.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 13:05:44
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@olegil

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olegil wrote:
@wawa

Since I'm not at all positive regarding the news that this board uses a P1022, criticizing me for "permament positivity" seems a bit strange.

I've designed a P1025 board myself (slower cores, slightly different peripherals), and I wish I had waited a bit and gotten a T1025 instead. But what's funny is that my board beat Tabor to the market by YEARS even though I was delayed by about a year in the process (the guy who was doing the software went on paternity leave as well as both of us being reassigned to more critical projects).

I quite strongly feel a P1022 board in 2015 is the WRONG idea. Not because it's impossible to use it or anything, but an e5500 or e6500 would fit so much better with the other boards being released.

But what the heck, now that we're getting hints of e500v2 support in AOS, I have a card here that could be "rerolled" for the Amiga market with minimal hardware effort (namely adding two PCIe slots that I couldn't have fit in our embedded form factor).


really an extravagant and costly way to first criticize me for style and then to agree with the essence of what i tell. congratulations, you just supported my "doubts" you laughed about so much.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 13:10:23
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@Spectre660

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134 ?


Sorry, I'm lost here: what does 134 mean?

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 13:13:31
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@ACube @AEON

Can you please make a comment about the Tabor processors and the doubts that came up in this thread?

Thank you

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Posted on 15-Oct-2015 13:18:39
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@Zylesea

perhaps he means 42

from hitchhikers guide to the galaxy

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Posted on 15-Oct-2015 13:22:43
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@Zylesea

Have a look at the graph .
MPlayer: H264-decoding

http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2012-02-00011-EN.html

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 13:40:50
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@Spectre660

134s under OS4? Sounds fine and would be a tad faster than the PegII then.

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Posted on 15-Oct-2015 13:49:06
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@Birbo

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Can you please make a comment about the Tabor processors and the doubts that came up in this thread?


AmiWest participants are already at the show and with the Devcon starting today, you can say the show is already underway.

This is one reason why I opened q/a threads on both Amigaworld and Amiga.org.
This way questions WILL reach the presenters/exhibitors who are otherwise engaged in show prep atm.

Amigaworld thread

Amiga.org thread

@all

I am NOT, repeat NOT combing this thread for questions to forward to those this may concern. If your question doesn't get posted to the threads listed above, it doesn't get sent. Simple as that.

#6

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Posted on 15-Oct-2015 14:09:06
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@number6

So, who is there from ACube?

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