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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 13:21:02
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@Birbo

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So, who is there from ACube?


The list I posted is still current. No one from Acube is on that list.

Since Trevor has been speaking about tabor, I suggest addressing direct questions to Trevor.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 13:38:35
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@wawa

Actually, I didn't. You assume that ALL the applications using to demo the board are using optimizations not available on OS4, without ANY substance to back this up. From this assumption you continue on to conclude that the board will be unusable with OS4.

A whole lot of data is missing for me to support your conclusions.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 13:50:49
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All this (again) makes me wonder why anyone even bothers to show hardware before it's up for sale.
In this community there is always more to lose as to gain doing that. Yes I want a cheap OS4 solution but somehow I lose my appetite when I see 20-page topics like this one.






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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 13:55:28
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@TrevorDick

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Despite what you might have read in this thread NO pricing for the tabor hardware was announced. The speculated numbers quoted are also very high.


>very high

OK, at a lower price point, this type of hardware becomes easier to justify.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 14:00:52
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@olegil

thats true, i am questioning if the applications demonstrated are sufficient to showcase the features of the hardware that will be supported under os4, as it is obviously intended, or at least it is so persumed by the users here.

whether my objections are right or wrong, all or in part remains to be proven, however you obviously are having similar objections, even though you have paradoxically difficulties to admit that.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 14:02:55
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@wawa

assume and conclude still does not equal question

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wawa 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 14:03:18
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@iggy

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OK, at a lower price point, this type of hardware becomes easier to justify.


so, where did the figures mentioned in original post, on amiga-news.de and in similar threads come from?

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wawa 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 14:05:01
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@olegil

Quote:

olegil wrote:
@wawa

assume and conclude still does not equal question


sigh... you have really hard time nitpicking on me just in order to tell almost the same without actually agreeing. have it your way. i dont care.

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iggy 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 14:07:13
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@Birbo

Perhaps you should direct your inquiries to the designers of the board and not those paying to have it built.
IF this is a Varisys design, its very similar to a reduced version of what Paul Gentle told me he would have recommended over a PA6T based board when the x1000 was being readied for release.

I am NOT against using Qorlq processors, it was Paul's recommendation years ago, and its still the best course today.

But we have moved on. The X5000 uses a Qorlq cpu, just a more recent one.'

The P1022 is one generation behind and is perhaps better suited to the legacy apps it was intended for.

BUT, if the board could be produced cheaply enough to make an AmigaOne system affordable for the masses...

The board could provide a bridge to later products that continue a legacy of providing a low cost value option.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 14:25:02
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@TrevorDick

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The speculated numbers quoted are also vey high.

OK, that moves me from "slightly interested" to "quite interested."

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 14:32:40
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@cdimauro

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WinUAE 3.2.0 Beta 16 (64Bit) (14 October 2015)


Nice! Time to update... (and for benchmarks of both 32 bit and 64 bit WinUAE)

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 14:34:02
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@TrevorDick

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The speculated numbers quoted are also vey high.


Very good news! I hope price will be much closer to p-cubed.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 14:36:21
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@Spectre660

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134 ?


Single core?

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 14:42:55
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@pavlor

Quote:

pavlor wrote:
@Spectre660

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134 ?


Single core?


thanks, i forgot to mention this;)

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 15-Oct-2015 14:58:40
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@wawa

For comparison SAM460EX 1155 MHz (again thanks toSpectre660; post 3):

399.791s (older OS4 result)


Even assuming two cores were used, it is still really nice result (dual-core gives 1.6x faster result, if MPlayer is compiled with threaded decoding support; that would be 214.4s for single core... nearly 2x as fast as SAM460EX).

Edit: Comparable Linux result on SAM460EX: 311.379s (see post 367 in this thread).

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Can someone list a few programs that will have problems because of Tabor's design, unless re-compiled? I would like to know how much it would affect me. Thanks!

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Posted on 15-Oct-2015 15:10:01
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@pavlor

right, but this is obviosly under linux. the question still remains what hardware acceleration may be involved and if the same will be available for os4.

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wawa 
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Posted on 15-Oct-2015 15:12:01
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Quote:

Everblue wrote:
Can someone list a few programs that will have problems because of Tabor's design, unless re-compiled? I would like to know how much it would affect me. Thanks!


i think you can refer to broadblues lists as example, starting with his post #290

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seems correct .

134 Dual Core and 214 Single Core .

@pavlor

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pavlor wrote:
@wawa

For comparison SAM460EX 1155 MHz (again thanks toSpectre660; post 3):

399.791s


Even assuming two cores were used, it is still really nice result (dual-core gives 1.6x faster result, if MPlayer is compiled with threaded decoding support; that would be 214.4s for single core... nearly 2x as fast as SAM460EX).

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Posted on 15-Oct-2015 15:31:22
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@Spectre660

So, Tabor (single core) is as fast in MPlayer benchmark as:
SAM460EX 1.7 GHz (if we take comparable Linux result from post 367)
Pegasos 2 G4 700 MHz
Mac Mini G4 600 MHz

Nice result for non-Altivec CPU!


May I ask for dnetc (OGR-NG in particular) result? That would show raw integer performance (not affected by memory speed like in MPlayer benchmark).

Edit: Updated comparison by result from post 367.

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