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itix 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 1-Nov-2015 16:16:56
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@smf

Timberwolf update could be more suitable as AmiStore app. There is no help coming from AROS or MorphOS developers and only high end OS3 systems can run TW.

If there is interest I can rewrite code to AmigaOS 3 compatible format but I can't compile or test code.

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Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 1-Nov-2015 16:34:59
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Good thing, but I think the code is best used as a reference of how they ported FF, rather then being the foundation for a new fresh port of FF to TW.

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Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 1-Nov-2015 16:35:38
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@iggy

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Yeah, I kind of let that one go.
Because praising a buggy alpha browser and saying 'how nice' it is was a little too 'Twilight zone' for me.


I thought VoyagerNG 3 was pretty nice for a while but that was at the end of the 90's/early 00's. Eventually I did get pissed off with it and bought iBrowse instead.

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broadblues 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 1-Nov-2015 16:54:32
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@iggy

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Because praising a buggy alpha browser and saying 'how nice' it is was a little too 'Twilight zone' for me.



Browser experience, is very subjective, different popel browse different sites, and generally have differening expectations and experiences because of that.

For me TW was / is to slow on my SAM but acceptable on my X1k , though I still use Odyssey on the x1k. (Reaction OWB on the sam though as I prefer the font rendering, and the site I visit from the SAM differ from the x1k forums compared with coding docs sites many of which seem to have adopted a format that causes OWB to stall, but not Odyssey)

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Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 1-Nov-2015 18:33:41
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@Yasu

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Yasu wrote:
@cdimauro

I think that is basically the problem with that bounty. It's unclear and very open to interpretation.

I'm not a native speaker, so I cannot judge. Let's see what native ones think about the "as much as".

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iggy 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 1-Nov-2015 19:08:57
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@broadblues

That comparison makes me wonder how Timberwolf would perform on Tabor.
Something tells me not too good.

But that does not mean that I am completely against the idea of the port.

Its nice to know that the X1000 can handle it, which would lead me to believe that even without AltiVec the x5000 should not have a problem.

Now, if we can just get SMP support, just imaging what Blender could do on an NG machine.

No, I actually like programs that are a challenge to support because of their hardware requirements.

You may be influencing me on this one.

On my PC I switch back and forth between Firefox and Chrome regularly.

And while Chromium is open source, Chrome isn't.

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Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 1-Nov-2015 19:59:12
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@iggy

Midori 0.4.3 on Tabor Ubuntu 12.04.05 powerpc32 (Emulated FPU) SMP dual core kernel
renders a little faster than Odyssey on AmigaOS 4.1 FE on Sam460ex .

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Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 1-Nov-2015 22:16:19
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@Spectre660

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SMP dual core kernel


"a little faster"? Dude you've got another core on Tabor.

Doesn't PPC multi-core scale better than "a little".

I have no doubt there is some parity between the SAM460 and Tabor in non-SMP tests, but I'm not encouraged by the test you've mentioned.

But I will try to stop being a pessimist.

And I am willing to pay A-eon more for the high end stuff.

I am now convinced that with Tabor, the price will have to do the talking.

If Acube keeps producing SAM460s, then maybe Tabor should undercut that.

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Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
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@iggy

Midori 0.4.3 on Tabor Ubuntu 12.04.05 powerpc32 (Emulated FPU) NON-SMP kernel .
renders a little slower than Odyssey on AmigaOS 4.1 FE on a Sam460ex .

On the other hand Qupzilla 1.8.6 on a NON-SMP kernel in a chroot Debian 8 PowerpcSPE environment renders much faster than Odyssey on AmigaOS 4.FE on a Sam460ex.

Its and apples and oranges comparison because the Sam460ex sometimes starts showing the visible rendering first and is overtaken by the rendering on the Taborin the second example .

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Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 2-Nov-2015 1:07:43
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@Spectre660

Understandable.
I have never really been a big fan of AMCC CPUs.
Not bad results.

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Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 2-Nov-2015 2:42:05
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Quote:
smf wrote:

I have used it quite a lot in the past on a slower HW and there it didn't deliver the same snappy performance but it was even then possible to see that it was getting close to a state where it was really usuable. Now with much better performance i have no doubt that it would be cool to see a new version of this old browser.
(


TW was working quite good before FE came out on my X1K but since FE it's basically unusable so this news is very welcome

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Draby 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 2-Nov-2015 9:52:42
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@klx300r

Posting this using TW on an AmigaOne 500 under FE.
I have found (the hard way) that if you avoid addons that do things in the background such as "noscpript", "adblock" etc and start the browser with a blank page instead of the Google start page, then it performs (in a 'niche' OS sense of the word) well.
It is actually the only way I can access my webmail as neither Odyssey or OWB will even open the page.

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iggy 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 3-Nov-2015 0:47:08
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@Draby

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t is actually the only way I can access my webmail as neither Odyssey or OWB will even open the page.


I had an odd problem like that when I was using Comcast's email system.
I gave Fab an ID under my account and he had it quickly worked out.
It had something to do with the way the page rendered certain items.

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Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 3-Nov-2015 6:47:03
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@iggy

unfortunately doesnt seems that fan was so active on owb as once...

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Draby 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 3-Nov-2015 11:10:54
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@iggy

This is Virgin media, they've taken their email service back in-house from gmail, and even the latest Firefox under XP is struggling with it.
Their webmail page keeps going offline and coming back slightly different so I guess it's a work in progress.

Anyway, there is defnitely room for improvement in Timberwolf, hopefully we will see it sooner rather than later, I will happily contribute something as a thankyou for the effort undertaken.

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iggy 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 3-Nov-2015 13:21:01
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@Tuxedo

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unfortunately doesnt seems that fan was so active


Quote:
unfortunately doesnt seems that fan was so active


Fab is a MorphOS developer and the author of Odyssey.
He has just had his first child, and is running into some serious endian issues with the latest Webkit.

So both browser are in need of work.

Maybe an older port of Firefox will have a few advantages.

The current version has a few issues that bother me (so, on the X64 system, I sometimes use Chrome, but that can crash for no understandable reason).

So nothing is perfect.

If Timberwolf runs on an AmigaOne 500, it ought to run on Tabor.
So go for it guys.

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Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 3-Nov-2015 14:30:30
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@All:

I personally don't understand what most of the problems are that everyone talks about...

I only ever see TimberWolf crash on specific sites or otherwise it operates quite well.

Normal operation for me is to have...

Gmail/AmigaWorld/Hyperion Forums/Amigans/os4coding/ and upto another 6-8 tabs open in Firefox on Workbench along with 10 Shell Windows open...
I also have a 2nd IntuitionScreen opened for 4x AmIRC(68K) to talk with people.

I only currently have Gmail on TW for having broken my tablets screen and while it is away getting it's face fixed... I have to be able to read/write messages somehow.

anyway...all the above is "background noise" for me when coding... which usually involves CygnusEd and running make in the SDK around GCC to compile for AOS4.

Very usable even when the machine is lagging badly

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Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 3-Nov-2015 18:55:58
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@Draby
#92

Many thanks for your handy tip about using TW on an Amigaone500 under Final Edition, removing add ons and especially removing the search engines has made a big difference to the speed of using Timberwolf


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Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 15-Sep-2016 11:39:07
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@thread

Hi everyone, I was wondering what it would take to utilise the source code provided by the Friedens for Timberwolf and bring it up to date with the latest build of Firefox and would it be beneficial to use OpenGL ES to accelerate the graphics rendering speed. If this is at all possible to do I would certainly contribute to the cause of delivering a capable modern web browser to AmigaOS 4.x

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@Fairdinkem

Probably as much work as it would require to port it from scratch again. It is based on a very old build.

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