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amigang 
10 Year master Plan?
Posted on 30-Jul-2016 21:10:01
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I dont know if anyone else here follows Tesla (the car company) and Elon Musk, but anyway he made a master plan 10 years ago, it was

Build sports car
Use that money to build an affordable car
Use that money to build an even more affordable car
While doing above, also provide zero emission electric power generation options

(read the full blog here https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/blog/secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me )

Anyway its pretty much spot on and he pretty much delivered on his promise and vision. He just released Part two which is even more crazy

Create stunning solar roofs with seamlessly integrated battery storage
Expand the electric vehicle product line to address all major segments
Develop a self-driving capability that is 10X safer than manual via massive fleet learning
Enable your car to make money for you when you aren't using it
( https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/blog/master-plan-part-deux?redirect=no )


Anyway why am I bring this up on an Amiga forum you ask, well I think a rough 10 year plan for the Amiga market would be good, where do we see this community in the next 10 years? do we see much changing or do we have a plan to expand the Amiga market?

I know A-eon Rough plans seem to be

Build X5000, high power AmigaOS4 to sustain the current OS4 market.
Build A1222, low cost AmigaOS4 to try and expand the OS4 market.
AmiStore / Amidevelopers - At the same time as above, update some classic apps, make some new apps and have a support network for users and developers to make money and make development easier.

I think the above is a good plan, if they can pull it off. the problem I see is OS4 development seems to have slowed to a crawl and seems to be going into areas that may not be needed, like multiprocessing support, although it would be cool to have I cant help but feel how many apps and programs really need it and would there ever be enough developers to support it. Although it would be cool if you could tell apps to run on certain cores but any way I guess my question would be more whats the 10 years plan for OS4? Whats the 10 year plan for Morphos? Whats the 10 year plan for Aros? what the 10 year plan for the Amiga community as a whole?

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Re: 10 Year master Plan?
Posted on 30-Jul-2016 21:30:06
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@amigang,

Electric cars are fossil fueled already and the alarmists say we won't be able to make enough energy in the future to run all the computers.

ROFL

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Re: 10 Year master Plan?
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@amigang

It has taken a year of hard work to build Warp3D Nova to this point. Over the next year or so, we need to build on it so we can add OpenGL ES 3 and other technologies.

When A-EON got involved with RadeonHD, the project was stalled at v0.54, but the investment over the last 5 years has ensured we can keep pace with modern graphics cards, the next 5 years will require more investment to keep the driver moving onwards.

The building blocks of applications are classes, gadgets and libraries. The Enhancer Software will ensure that these building blocks get updated over the coming years with consistency between OS3 and OS4. A-EON's software inventory will grow and get more advanced based on these building blocks.

Customers who have bought the X1000 and, in future, who will buy the X5000, A1222 and any other A-EON hardware will expect quality software to continue to be developed.

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ne_one 
Re: 10 Year master Plan?
Posted on 30-Jul-2016 21:39:38
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@amigang

Tesla has been able to sustain a vision because it's an actual company that creates products and generates revenue, not an afterthought occupying a few lines in FreshBooks.

Who would actually be the controlling interest in the Amiga market?

No one. And that's a problem.

A-EON is likely the only player with the ability to carry anything forward and that would require jettisoning Hyperion, sidelining OS4 and starting again.

New old software and new old hardware are a dead end.

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kolla 
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Tesla (and Space-X) use and develop open source software, so of course they are successful.

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@QuikSanz

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Electric cars are fossil fueled already


At the moment this is true but the advancement of battery and solar technologies has been far greater in the last few years than at any time, already there are now starting to appearing in the labs, solar panels that are transparent which I think is the best way to go with the tech because then every window, weather be in at your house or in your car could be generating power.

Plus already a lot of Tesla Charging stations run off solar, and there Gigafactory 1 which makes the cars will be completely running off the grid, and then the battery they produce have an expeted life of at least 10 years and even after that they say they can recycle the battery to make new ones with only 25% of the product going to waste or could be pulled out of the car and given a second life as abckup system, the battery wont hold as much charge or last as long but scale that up over many old batteries they can still be useful for another 25 years the company says, and then recycle, so I think this company is trying to do good in the world.

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Fransexy 
Re: 10 Year master Plan?
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@ne_one

Quote:

ne_one wrote:
New old software and new old hardware are a dead end.


Old software and hardware it's why we are here
Menawhile WebOS, WindowhsPhone and Blackberry10 (to give some examples)
are new and they are dead or almost dead

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Re: 10 Year master Plan?
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@ne_one

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No one. And that's a problem.


not, as far as im concerned.

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elwood 
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@kolla

Not that succesful. Read here.

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Re: 10 Year master Plan?
Posted on 31-Jul-2016 9:27:39
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@elwood

Well, this person was very proud of the auto-pilot feature, so proud that he totally forgot about security.

I'm very sorry for him but when you drive, you have to stay in control of your car anytime, even if you're helped by the system.

In Europe, auto-pilot feature can't work since if the driver pulls out of his hands off the wheel, an alarm will sound.

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Re: 10 Year master Plan?
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Power-wise, yes the electricity may be fossil-fuel generated, but it's not 100%. In Ireland for example, 9% of electricity comes from renewables, and in countries with nuclear power there would be even less fossil fuel used (though that has its own issues of course). But the big difference is efficiency: the energy is only used when it's needed whereas a traditionally petrol or diesel fuelled car wastes a huge amount of energy in heat, idling and the conversion of reciprocating motion, not helped that it rarely runs at the optimum engine speed.

And don't forget, per million miles travelled, the number of fatalities under autopilot is still lower than those for manually driven cars.

Having said all that, I still won't be buying an electric car until I can charge it anywhere in 10 minutes.

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Planke 
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I wonder why he decided to build the sports car first as I thought that https://www.the5x5project.com/my-hydromax-review-results the Hydromax would have been the most hit and miss compared to a cheaper family car.

It's impressive to see someone reach their goals though!

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@Planke

Because a subclass of people who buy sport cars have money that they don't know what to do with (thus they buy a toy). They might as well buy an electrict toy.

Family cars are budget. As long as you don't have a technology to produce them cheap, it is not going to take off.

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@amigang

On Amiga, we already have something way better - Two More Weeks master plan!

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@amigang

If you want a better image about Tesla you should give more info about financial situation. They lose money every quarter. Q3 2015 230 mln USD, Q4 2015 320 mln USD, Q1 2016 282 mln USD. Lots of cars sold does not mean financial success. Is Trevor ready to invest like Elon? Ask him

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@Daedalus

Charging my electric car only takes me 20 minutes for free at Nissan. The only problem with my electric car is it's not a Tesla. Also I should have waited, I bought it used three years ago but they are a lot cheaper to buy used today.

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LOL!

You are right and that's damn funny.

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@mr2,

And not making a profit is typical of a government subsidized business. Every American electric car costs taxpayers Solyndra on steroids.

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@QuikSanz

Electric cars don't directly cost US Tax payers anything. You get a tax credit on your taxes when you file them just like you get a tax credit on your taxes when you buy a home. I bought my electric car used so didn't get a tax credit. Electric cars reduce death from cancer causing emissions. Emmisions costs everyone more in medical and funeral fees.

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Power-wise, yes the electricity may be fossil-fuel generated, but it's not 100%. In Ireland for example, 9% of electricity comes from renewables


In Portugal at least 60% of power in 2015 came from renewables sources.

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