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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 28-Oct-2018 13:56:04
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@olsen

Thank you as always for your honest and detailed reply.

I hope that those who had questions about this will take the time to read , understand, and accept.

I also wish to express my sympathy for the position the team has been put in when repeatedly asked questions about releases, licensing, policy, etc.
Developers should allowed to be developers and not have to get dragged into the politics of Amiga.

Bottom line, years of work. Of course you wanted to see the time judged as well spent.
People want product. It's obvious that the majority of the discussion on all sites and irc reflect that, more than they reflect questions about legalities. Hold onto that thought.

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 28-Oct-2018 15:31:42
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@olsen

Having read this, I refrain from my idea to burn myself a rom with the workbench, icon and newer intuition.library..

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
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@number6

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People want product. It's obvious that the majority of the discussion on all sites and irc reflect that, more than they reflect questions about legalities.


Well said.

With very few exceptions, this has never been about the developers.

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2018 12:54:13
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Pure digital sales of AmigaOS 3.4.1 closed. Please place your order for AmigaOS 3.1.4 at your local Amiga dealer. See our list of dealers for possible resellers.


Source

"possible resellers"

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2018 13:26:25
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@number6

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Developers should allowed to be developers and not have to get dragged into the politics of Amiga.


That is rather impossible, developers are people too. Writing code is a form of expression, and how code is written is tied to politics.

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2018 15:07:31
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@thread

German only atm

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2018 15:58:21
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@thread

Story on prior takedown with comments from Cloanto

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2018 16:33:26
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@thread

AmigaOS 3.1.4: Download version unavailable again, physical edition announced (english)

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2018 16:34:01
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@number6 / All

Reading about Amino at Amiga-news.de, former Amiga inc ?(), did Amino ever bring something or do they only have trademarks ?
Who are the people behind Amino these days ?

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2018 18:58:38
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@kolla

Could we stick with the real issues please?

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Pure digital sales of AmigaOS 3.4.1 closed. Please place your order for AmigaOS 3.1.4 at your local Amiga dealer. See our list of dealers for possible resellers.


When was 3.4.1 released and why do they mention what appears to be a downgrade from that?

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2018 19:33:31
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It's going down the drain and as it spins faster there are rather wicked side effects to be witnessed

Keep your popcorn hot and your butter salty

 
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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2018 20:04:29
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@bennymee

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Who are the people behind Amino these days ?

That's a good question. I thought they were defunct, but obviously they are not.

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
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Wow, Cloanto really screwed things up this time when they sued Hyperion.
Talk about opening a can of worms. Parties long gone suddenly are brought back to life.

How long did the old litigation last when the parties finally reached the Settlement Agreement?

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 31-Oct-2018 9:02:02
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Wow, Cloanto really screwed things up this time when they sued Hyperion.


Rather the other way around, but whatever.

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 31-Oct-2018 9:15:48
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@kolla

If Cloanto wouldn't have sued Hyperion, we wouldn't be in this mess.
Talking from a classic AmigaOS 3.1 enthusiast point of view, the withdrawal of
digital sales after just one month is really saddening. How long will the physical sales last?

AmigaOS 3.1.4 is a great product, and I would like to see future development, now that it has started.

On the other hand, It's clear that the open source route has not been a possible way forward.



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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 31-Oct-2018 10:00:08
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@Kotler

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Kotler wrote:
Wow, Cloanto really screwed things up this time when they sued Hyperion.
Talk about opening a can of worms. Parties long gone suddenly are brought back to life.

How long did the old litigation last when the parties finally reached the Settlement Agreement?


I guess they opened the can of worm when they re-registered (or at least tried to) the Amiga trademark in the US. That ignited the most unexpected and astonishing escalation of fights and legal battles this platform has seen since years.

I personally consider this suing action against Hyperion's AmigaOS 3.1.4 the most respectable reaction to Hyperion registering "Amiga Forever" trademark. Probably Hyperion thought it would have been a smart move to put something on the business table, but it actually set Cloanto up for vengeance.

I am incredibly amazed by all this. Little companies litigating for the domain over a niche market, which is evidently too small to ensure earnings for everyone involved, who are also fighting over lesser and lesser vaulable IPs they were (at least in public) peacefully sharing until some months ago. This all seems a foolish remake of the famous 80s Highlander movie. Only one will last in the end: the one who won't have wasted all his money into attorneys.

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 31-Oct-2018 11:23:05
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@Kotler

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If Cloanto wouldn't have sued Hyperion, we wouldn't be in this mess.


If Hyperion could stick to what was agreed on, and not insist on stepping on every toe they see, they wouldn't be in this mess.

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Talking from a classic AmigaOS 3.1 enthusiast point of view, the withdrawal of digital sales after just one month is really saddening. How long will the physical sales last?

Not for long, I'm sure - it may even be doubtful that "physical sales" will even start.
I am also an enthusiast, and Hyperion is and has always been a disaster for the community-

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AmigaOS 3.1.4 is a great product, and I would like to see future development, now that it has started.

It is riddled with bugs, and there are plenty of compatibility issues. The development model used is as outdated as the OS itself, and Hyperion require signing of NDAs by anyone involved.

(I do find it somewhat amusing when I see _who_ have signed NDAs though, several are people who earlier have been involved in more or less illegal distribution of copyrighted material, including OS components)

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On the other hand, It's clear that the open source route has not been a possible way forward.


Just because ThoR says so, doesn't mean that it is not a possible way forward. The various OS components already have different ownerships and licenses, and this could be extended further, there is no rule or law that says the whole operating system must remain as one codebase under one license, sold as one. So one could open source the parts that legally can be open sourced, and keep closed source the parts that legally cannot be open sourced. This is also how certain other operating systems do this (Windows and macOS, to name two).

"But ah, yes... Amiga OS is so... different.. so delicate... meh"

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 31-Oct-2018 11:25:11
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And btw - as an enthusiast who support Hyperion on every turn - what do you think of the software license agreement that Hyperion pushes on you? Do you accept all the terms before installing OS 3.1.4 on your system?

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 31-Oct-2018 13:11:05
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@kolla

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Hyperion is and has always been a disaster for the community


Did someone give you the right to talk in our name ? If no, don't speak for the community and speak for yourself only. Thanks.

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Re: Hyperion release official AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates !!!
Posted on 31-Oct-2018 14:31:00
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@kolla

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So one could open source the parts that legally can be open sourced, and keep closed source the parts that legally cannot be open sourced.

Yes, or, alternatively, one could rewrite the parts that cannot be legally be open sourced.

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