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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 12-Apr-2021 4:30:35
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@Hyperion-Director

Last January Hyperion Entertainment counsel told the court that "The Parties resumed settlement discussions to resolve all of the matters between them in October 2020. On Thursday of last week, the Parties reached the terms of settlement on the main agreement."

What happened with this claimed agreeable settlement? It seems you changed your mind and decided to argue the case on AmigaWorld.net instead.

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such fundamental issues as our capital increase in June of 2019 can be so distorted and twisted despite the public record if somebody actually bothered to do some perfunctory research


Perfunctory research? Be careful what you wish for.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 12-Apr-2021 7:56:46
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@kolla

Quote:
Technically, on ARM, you can chose what endian mode you wish to use, you can even chose between two big-endian modes on many of them.


Indeed, but this feature is not mandatory. Many embedded market ARM chips are Little Endian only without option to switch endianess. Most high power class CPUs are though still bi-endian. My Emu68 runs actually in 64bit big-endian mode on RasPi machines as well as on RK3399 CPUs.

Unfortunately the M1 is little-endian only :(

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 12-Apr-2021 18:10:59
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@michalsc

I am willing to purchase a RPi4 directly from you as long as it comes with AROS running natively.

Like...

Pretty please!

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 12-Apr-2021 19:00:12
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@Lou

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as long as it comes with AROS running natively


Really natively or in m68k through Emu68? :)

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 13-Apr-2021 0:24:18
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@Hyperion-Director

Quote:

Hyperion-Director wrote:
@Rose

Really? Prior to September 30, 2009 that would have been a valid statement.

Having said that, there is also the question of resources both human and financial.

AmigaOS is a 32 bit big Endian oriented operating system, be it 68K or PPC.

Moving to x86, ARM or even RISC-V would be no small feat as these are little endian. It can be done of course - technically.

Unless we move to 64 bit and the whole issue becomes moot but again, this would require a massive investment.



I'm confused. I just checked the page at the Kruispunt bank der Ondernemingen, not that I'm interested in joining Hyperion again, don't worry. But I somewhat wanted to know what Hyperion was all about these days.

There is some gibberish about computer stuff etc but then ...
I noticed these:

VAT 2008 70.210 - Public relations and communication activities
Since January 2, 2014
VAT 2008 70.220 - Business and other management consultancy activities
Since January 2, 2014

I bet the "Business and other management consultancy activities" is a clerical error, (while I'm at it ... you may want to fix the mention of "Ex officio striked off address since May 29, 2017" in your own company ...) so I take it your reappearance here is about the Public relations leg ?

Yours truly,
Evert
(back to real work)

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 13-Apr-2021 0:44:38
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@michalsc

Natively.
What's the point of AROS if it isn't native.

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aria 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 13-Apr-2021 5:08:29
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I'm no fan of Cloanto... they nearly killed my Youtube channel.


As I recall, you had forgotten about YouTube's "Content you submit must not include third-party intellectual property (such as copyrighted material)" rule. Another video creator complained to Cloanto.

Consequences: YouTube standard procedure.

Blame: no one but yourself.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 13-Apr-2021 6:52:10
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@Hyperion-Director


Friend Hyperion-Director,

how does it feel to know that the entirety of the audience you speak to, regards you as a filth and has been counting the days before your cursed name can be forever forgotten?

Who are you exactly addressing, when you come forward with explanations and counter-arguments to this and that?

What foul energy still inhabits your hollow carcass of a man, to fuel the unbelievable gall required to engage with the same people you repeatedly raped the dreams of? You Himmler taking selfies at Auschwitz doing the moonwalk.

Was the-company-which-shall-not-be-named to survive this umpteenth legal ordeal, what would you possibly do with it? Having no viable business model. Ridden with debt that you have personally admitted to in clear numbers on this very thread. Bearing a legacy no person sane of mind would want to be associated with.

Just go away, you repulsive human being.
All the backs have been turned on your miserable drooling and barking in the darkness.
Leave the Amiga name alone.

Go.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 13-Apr-2021 8:10:08
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

...and MEGA_RJ_MICAL enters the thread and turns the tone from negative to just downright mean.
Gotta love it .. or, well, you love it, apparently

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 13-Apr-2021 9:38:09
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@aria

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As I recall, you had forgotten about YouTube's "Content you submit must not include third-party intellectual property (such as copyrighted material)" rule. Another video creator complained to Cloanto. Consequences: YouTube standard procedure. Blame: no one but yourself.


But one of the vids was a 100% Fair use video.
Codified in Section 107 of the Copyright Act, fair use allows persons other than the copyright owner to make certain limited uses of copyrighted material without the copyright owner's permission (17 U.S.C. § 107). It was a 30sec clip re-edited from a 20min vid.

Plus a lot of the Amiga adverts and video would of not been found if it was not for other users uploading them. Do we really want that to happen?

Amiga docs / films have improved a lot thanks to efforts of the Amiga community/ fans finding past adverts / introduction vids.

Finally I know this is no defence, but they where adverts, created to advertise the Amiga, to get people to buy or look into the Amiga, I was only trying to do the same thing. Plus they where created and paid for by a company long gone.

But anyway I do understand the law. I just still feel it’s a shame.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 13-Apr-2021 9:42:25
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@graff

Friend graff,

I do nothing else than speaking for the shy, the overly polite, the worried.

I say what everyone wants to say but won't, bent into this pitiful shape by the hammers of "cancel culture", "politically correct", and all the other rainbow coloured drugs we've been fed for the past 25 years or so.

Nanny state governing over a herd of pussies, PUSSIES I say.

So, bask in the glory of previously-unspoken truth, instead of whining over my apparent lack of manners.

Warmest regards,
MEGA

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 13-Apr-2021 11:29:41
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@thread

115 NOTICE of Intent to File Surreply Motion to Strike

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 13-Apr-2021 12:15:01
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@amigang

And every single time you "forget" to mention that you tried to monetize those videos.

And no, "I didn't recieve any money" really isn't any defence, since you understand the law right?

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 13-Apr-2021 15:56:04
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

In a sense this goes back to what Roman and I discussed here:
https://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8633&start=0

Impediments to "speaking out" are clearly (1)NDA and (2)fear of losing one's "precious"

None of this comes as any surprise to you I'm sure.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 13-Apr-2021 17:07:09
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

The reason people are so polite around Ben and his enablers is they don't want to rock the boat and cause any reason for him to cut off the scraps he feeds them from time to time. There are a lot of egomaniacs when it comes to OS4 development - I remember people getting twitchy at the glacial pace of development in 2005 and the Frieden brothers coping a load negativity because a) they had bitten off more than they could chew and b) they put themselves in and amongst the angry mob in these very forums. Regardless of the frustration you would have people warning that the Frieden boys would pack their bags and take their talents elsewhere unless we worship them like demigods. All very sickening to watch - basically people who have no shame and will take any amount of lies and missed deadlines in the slim hope that one day OS4 will be a rival to Mac or PC!

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 13-Apr-2021 17:15:43
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@A1200

In short... the value of fear was known and was and still -is- weaponized.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 14-Apr-2021 8:04:51
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@A1200

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basically people who have no shame and will take any amount of lies and missed deadlines in the slim hope that one day OS4 will be a rival to Mac or PC!

OS4 users are a small flock: we hang out at one place (Amigans.net) and pretty much know (of) each other. I have been NG-ized since 2009, so I dare say I know the terrain quite well. That being said, I neither see nor remember anyone there expressing "hope that one day OS4 will be a rival to Mac or PC". That is an AmigaWorld forum myth.

The reason why Hermans is tolerated within the OS4 camp is simple: he controls the OS and apparently is not willing to let go of it, whatever his actual motivations are. You bet that we'd much rather see somebody else at the helm.

I'm not sure how your argument about "the Friedens being worshiped as demigods" fits in the equation. It's a decade-old story, now about as relevant as the claim that "Amiga users hate Atari users".

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 14-Apr-2021 14:50:42
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@Trixie

I was wondering about something related to this; I hope no one minds my asking. There's a bit of a long background.

Two decades ago, I used to frequent amiga.org. The guy who ran the place was openly hostile to Amiga Inc., a going thing at the time. (That's how long ago this was.) I didn't sympathize, since I thought the TAOS route was a cool idea and unlike a lot of people I actually received my $50 T-shirt and coupon. (That's how long ago this was.)

The red vs. blue war was in full swing and as I recall, Wayne, then-owner of amiga.org, was sore that Amiga Inc. had clumsily tried to assert trademark rights over amiga.org, or something to that effect. I think they came to an understanding, but Wayne never let it go. (I might have misunderstood.)

I wasn't necessarily a red camp partisan, but I was a red camp sympathizer, and the red v. blue war was so nasty at amiga.org that, when I discovered amigaworld.net, I made a permanent move. It was a friendly place, relatively speaking. The Frieden brothers would post here on occasion.

Of course, progress on OS4 was slow, and off-topic posts tend to be very, very common here. That wasn't uncommon on most websites then, but I had no particular motivation to stick with Amiga (couldn't afford the hardware) so I paid less attention and have sometimes gone years without visiting. I seem to remember that the Friedens got some really rough treatment in a thread here, or something, and decided no longer to post.

I might be misremembering some details; we're talking about a decade and a half, after all.

With all that background, finally I'm getting around to my question.

Somewhere in that period, amigaworld.net went totally off the rails. There's almost no useful discussion of Amiga-related matters, and most discussion seems to be personality-based -- well, no, to the contrary; it's personality-disorder-based. What used to be friendly to the red camp is now... er, to put it euphemistically, cynical.

You mention amigans.net. Years ago, I acquired the impression that amigans.net was merely an outpost for red camp extremists of the sort who felt that amigaworld.net's occasional despair at Amiga Inc's incompetence was seen as insufficiently obsequious to the red camp. That is, people went to amigans.net in order to get the latest red camp propaganda of the day.

But my recent, occasional visits suggest that it is indeed a pretty sane place, much like what amigaworld.net used to be, or at least what it was intended to be.

a) Does that sound right?

b) If so, what happened?

c) If not, where am I mistaken?

PS I was recently reflecting on the red v. blue wars and remembered Bill Buck, of Thendic / Genesi fame, who sponsored MorphOS and brought the Pegasos hardware. "No Mai without April." So, blue-ish camp. As I recall, he was genuinely unpopular around amigaworld.net; as I say, this site was friendly to the red camp. He's still out there, selling real computer products to real clients. So it seems that he's the only character in that sordid red v. blue affair who turned out to be the real deal, at least in the long run. I guess that abandoning the Amiga scene early on kept him free from the Amiga curse.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 14-Apr-2021 15:10:41
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@simplex

I think this backs up most of your remembered history:

Hello Everyone - I like my new home!

Years later when disenchanted with Amigaworld, Amigans.net was formed as the new alternative. Exodus from Amiga sites has been a pattern for sure.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 14-Apr-2021 16:36:20
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@number6

Thanks. At least it confirms the amiga.org part.

Post #9 there is ironic:
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Nice site - and not a sign of a single flamewar!

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