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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Apr-2021 16:15:55
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@Trixie

It might take on that tone now, but this started long ago.

understated resentment I'd say

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Apr-2021 16:48:29
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@number6

I've yet to hear about anyone doing business with Hyperion that haven't been screwd by em.

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Posted on 23-Apr-2021 19:41:22
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#6 Quote:

In case this might affect your thinking:

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X5000 and Cyrus+ have recently dissappeared from the product selection of AmigaKit.


Source discussion

You might also notice there is no version of AmigaOS offered on that same site.

For that matter I don't even see "Hyperion" in the lengthy manufacturer list.


The X5000 may be sold out rather than a removal of "AmigaOne" labeled hardware from AmigaKit. The avoidance of "AmigaOne" labeled hardware must be what is keeping the AmigaOne 1222 from market too.

The exclusion of Hyperion and AmigaOS from AmigaKit are more likely signs of action but why? The 2009 settlement agreement shall "remain in force until such time as a court of competent jurisdiction has issued a final and non-appealable ruling on the existence of a material breach justifying termination of this Agreement". The agreement is terminated at the time of a non-appealable final court ruling and *not* at the time of the "material breach". One exception would be if the 2009 settlement agreement was declared void at inception for lack of quid pro quo or because of coercion but it doesn't look like the Amiga parties have pursued these arguments. Were the removals of Hyperion and AmigaOS from AmigaKit actions as part of the cancelled new settlement agreement or just CYA?

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Apr-2021 19:55:40
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The avoidance of "AmigaOne" labeled hardware must be what is keeping the AmigaOne 1222 from market too.


I can think of many reasons seriously.

But the least sinister is the worldwide parts shortage that even huge companies can not address.

Added: I also mentioned something else
here

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More then you think. The most common case is working with binary data of any form. Imagine some simple check of a header of some binary file:

if (data8[0] == 'E' && data8[1] == 'L' && data8[2] == 'F')


I don't understand. This code is endianess safe no matter if compiler optimizes it into 32 bit check or not.

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I don't understand. This code is endianess safe no matter if compiler optimizes it into 32 bit check or not.


Sorry, I should have put myself more clear here. What I have meant is an endianness issue in general. We had discussions on AW.net as well as in other places where ppl were trying to argue that endianness is not an issue because one could just swap every fetch of data on cpu with the "other" endianness and that way solve endianness issues on an operating system.

What I was trying to show here is that this is not the case due to compiler optimisations discarding the size of underlying data types.

Sorry for previous explanation which was too short to clarify myself :)

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ppl were trying to argue that endianness is not an issue because one could just swap every fetch of data on cpu with the "other" endianness and that way solve endianness issues on an operating system


If "one" == the C compiler then they are right. There's an big endian x86 OS (Stratus VOS) which does that. If the compiler backend correctly ~fools the compiler into seeing the x86 as big endian, it should not cause compiler optimisations to break things.

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@Georg

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If "one" == the C compiler then they are right.


Indeed. But if the compiler is not available and the binary is already compiled then it will be only partially possible (e.g. running m68k BE binaries on x86 LE Aros in the same was as Petunia or Trance does it)

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@Trixie

Well, we mentioned X5000 and AmigaOS being gone from the site, so...

need to see if this falls in the same category

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