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Hypex 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 12-Aug-2021 15:07:46
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When they shifted to OSX and the Unix model they messed up the Mac DOS. Not very much exposed to the user but Mac OS had DOS path separators just like AmigaOS and MSDOS did. In the Mac case, easily seen by getting info on a file, where the magic symbol is a colon. Unix uses a slash. Totally different. Somehow they were able to make it compatible with the Mac OS sandbox emulation built in.

It's interesting that the x86 people didn't like PPC because it wasn't x86 yet, but yes you are right, in that the transition to PPC would end up helping a transition to x86. Though now ARM would be in favour and a more reachable target. While on PPC, given current trends, porting it to little endian could be an idea so it becomes more portable. But, of course, that goes against the whole system design. They would need to AROS it in the least. Then 68K and OS4 apps would need to be sandboxed like on OSX.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 12-Aug-2021 20:42:38
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@Hypex

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I thought the cooperative multitasking was rather well done. I used it and couldn't even tell.


It caused problem for tcp/ip stack, and other parts of the OS, if program did release the resources in time tcp/ip packed can get lost.

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The Pascal legacy sounds familiar like BCPL in AmigaOS and TripOS. Some would think was a tripe OS in the system.


Pascal compiles to assembler, BCPL is interpreted I believe, one of key features of TripOS was Trivial Portable OS, think Java, BCPL only messed up DOS, Pascal strings messed up everything. So Symantic Think C, introduced the “\p” switch to tell the compiler it’s a pascal string. I think Amos grabs a lot ideas from MacOS, Amos bank, reminds me of Resources, and Strings are also start with size, then data. Its bit odd to me that Amos never found it way to MacOS7.x.x, but then again it built heavily on Amiga chipset and 680x0 assembler

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 13-Aug-2021 15:00:16
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I've been having some experience lately with writing code in a cooperative multitasking system. By writing scripts for this Reaper music program. Each script can lock it up if it keeps busy looping which I found out when a serious bug in my script kept busy looping a routine and I had to force quit the whole program. The way to multitask if a script needs to wait for an event is to poll for events and defer execution until one appears. But it's quirky and a script can't pause itself in a routine if it was waiting for a key press for example. The script must run all the way through the main routine and then exit. After which it is restarted with a deferred routine. It makes it hard to deal with because a usual program flow can't be used, it must be written to expect the main routine being run again in a loop from start to finish.

By the sounds of it they would have been best to stick with Pascal. Nothing wrong with a language because it isn't C. I liked things like resources. The forks idea with things like resource forks was a neat idea that would have been good in AmigaOS. For example, I always thought integrating icons into the file system would have worked well, rather than as extra info files with extra overhead and redundant images copied all over the place.

IIRC Amos started like as STOS on the ST. It is odd it never made it to Mac given it was one of the 68K trinity and most respected out of the three in the industry. However, the original STOS would have been good to port from. But, maybe there would be a problem in the naming scheme. What would you call it? MCOS? MAOS? MACOS? Problem right there.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 25-Aug-2021 15:11:24
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@thread

Re: the specific attempt at brand grabbing:
Here

More Amiga tm fun today:
Here
Trademark links in the U.K. seem to fall back to prior pages. Borked.
If this happens to you, clcik "event history".

Is someone not happy with Retro Games Ltd. registering "THEA500" trademark and daring to announce a product using that trademark?

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kolla 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 25-Aug-2021 20:52:10
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@Hypex

Apple didn’t have to do much transition to x86, it was already there, OSX in its “beta stage”, aka Rhapsody, was running on x86 from the start. The transition was to PPC from x86, and six years later, when MacOS “classic” no longer was relevant, they swiftly dropped PPC pretty much over night.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 11-Sep-2021 14:26:36
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@thread

Minor update.

3rd lawfirm on the Hyperion side no longer involved in the case.

https://lowegrahamjones.com/attorney-list/
This is the firm where John Bamert was working, who participated in the deposition of Evert Carton.

A few weeks ago he departed to form a new lawfirm.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-bamert

Motions made awaiting court rulings since March are still unattended to, as well as a ruling on acceptance of the deposition.
The last "schedule" still shows that nothing will be done until 30-45 days after the March motions are ruled upon.

Although Amiga Corporation has registered and received the registration certificate -for- "Amiga", it is obvious they still can not use it.
This also, in turn, freezes any resolution with Intellivision LLC over trademark similarity and any other plans.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 7-Oct-2021 15:20:24
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@Hyperion's current attorneys who recently formed their own law firm

I note from 1 of 2 motions filed October 5, 2021 the following:

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entity unknown to Hyperion, namely MyRetroComputer LTD


As I have written this entire history in this very thread and other threads numerous times, it might be helpful if you read.

many posts in this thread detailing their entire history

still current website

company profile

You can also use AW search for both the company name and Sean Donohue to learn more.

In case you are still confused, this company was associated with CommodoreUSA and not Amiga.

Hope this helps. Although with many years of known and recorded history I am confused by the statement "entity unknown to Hyperion". Are you all -that- unfamiliar with the facts?

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 8-Oct-2021 0:59:17
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It caused problem for tcp/ip stack, and other parts of the OS, if program did release the resources in time tcp/ip packed can get lost


Wouldn't that be an issue for other high-priority requests like reading changes to memory or disk access?

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 8-Oct-2021 1:09:40
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@number6

Thanks for keeping track of all this number6. It is appreciated, though I wish all the legal fighting would end soon ...

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 8-Oct-2021 1:29:04
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By writing scripts for this Reaper music program.

Ha!.
That's a daily driver program for me good to know other smart people are also helping it improve.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
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It caused problem for tcp/ip stack, and other parts of the OS, if program did release the resources in time tcp/ip packed can get lost


Wouldn't that be an issue for other high-priority requests like reading changes to memory or disk access?


Of course it would. Back in the days, if you found a mac user being in IRC using a terminal emulator of any sort, you could pretty much kick them offline by sending a long sequence of ctrl+b - bell alarm - which would leave their macs unusable while quacking or gonging and ultimately put them offline.

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