@number6

CommodoreUSA = 404 error under myretrocomputer


http://www.myretrocomputer.com/commodoreusa.html

@Nonefornow

Thanks, but this is Bill talking about deals to show they were active.

Current status does not really apply. That's Sean btw. That history is on AW as well.

I've noticed you enjoy the history. Here is why I ask what I ask above:

and onward

It's a discussion between Ben, former managing partner Evert, Pavlor, and others including myself.


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@JimIgou

As soon as Radeon HD drivers(R9 280X) is finished for MorphOS,
I´m gonna install it on my (AmigaOne?)X5000.

Used MorphOS a little bit on Pegasos 2 and a half broken Macbook G4.
Love it but AmigaOS is my preferred choice.

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This is where all the "I hope Hyperion has to hand over the right to OS4 to CA Aquisitions" stuff falls apart. Because Hyperion doesn't own all of the code in OS4.

From where did you get the impression that this (Amiga/Cloanto vs. Hyperion) is about OS4 at all?

I only see trademarks and 3.1...

I’m sure Cloanto would be happy to support and sponsor future OS4 development if the alternative for it would be its death (is it really alive *now* under Hyperion BTW?). After all they spent money towards development of the PPC emulation and Amiga Forever to make it a one-stop single solution for running everything from 1.0 to 4.1, which signals some interest. And nobody owns the underlying 3.1 and the trademarks more than Cloanto does. And it would make sense in numerous ways to collect everything under one umbrella again.

If so, may I remind you that Cloanto made their own 3.9 (“Workbench 3.X”) without Haage&Partner by turning to developers directly?

But I honestly don’t see much at this point that suggests that this would be about OS4 at all. In fact they seemed very happy with their *partnership* with Hyperion at the time (thus having *Hyperion* dealing with OS4) for Amiga Forever PPC/OS4, and please remember that they acknowledged Hyperion’s copyright and trademark license up until Hyperion’s sudden trademark aggression and deliberate unauthorized use of 3.1. Then things changed. But again, not because of OS4.

@TRIPOS

Same link as before, but perhaps to your topic:

page 4 item 11

Were you aware of this one?

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@number6

I would like to see out-of-the-box Amiga Forever support for touch screen enabled Windows tablets e.g. Surface Pro.

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@number6

and Trevor has said he doesn't own it either Which leave him starting a new company ala C-A Acquisitions to purchase and hold those rights or that C-A Acquisitions purchased and holds those rights


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The legal issue determined the removal of AmigaOne IMO. So in the end it could stay AmigaOne if Hyperion wins, and Amiga if they loose. I guess most of the sites are production sites without QA or Pre Prod so the changes are done in production and were seen. Now they know where the changes has to be done if necessary. The community even helped them locate pages “forgotten”.
They just want to be ready when the time will come.

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@number6

Of course!


@Argo

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Argo wrote: @number6 and Trevor has said he doesn't own it either

I must have missed that. Got a link?


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Which leave him starting a new company ala C-A Acquisitions to purchase and hold those rights or that C-A Acquisitions purchased and holds those rights

Well I guess there must be some kind of thought behind this company beyond just putting a checkmark on its webpage...?

@TRIPOS

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Well I guess there must be some kind of thought behind this company beyond just putting a checkmark on its webpage...?

that's a good catch; i hadn't noticed it before. i can think of a few possibilities here:

1. the checkmark was licensed from cloanto or c-a acquisitions
2. the checkmark was licensed from whatever is left of amiga, inc.
3. they believe they have fair use rights based on the amiga.org logo
4. they believe they have fair use rights based on some arrangement from hyperion
5. they believe they can use it as-is with no license without the coloration
6. i've gone completely insane obsessing over such minutae and it's none of my business
7. same as #6 but i still haven't figured it out why they're using that graphic

... any other ideas?

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@number6

Ah ok thanks for the link. Well it's all German to me. But I found another article that spoke of a 2018 rumour of Trevor owning ExecSG. The link to the rumoured citation has been removed.
In any case it was a rumour. And hearsay or other comments can be taken out of context. Without any offical word made public it has no more value than FUD.

https://amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2019-03-00036-EN.html

@Hypex

what article? what citation? thanks.

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The checkmark is nothing to license, it was an abandoned trademark, de facto public domain, that has been used by just about everyone since even before CBM folded, and noone has claimed ownership over it, despite being well known. Those cannot be "jarred" back and become "owned" again.

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The checkmark is nothing to license, it was an abandoned trademark, de facto public domain, that has been used by just about everyone since even before CBM folded

It's been prominently displayed in all Kickstart 2.x and 3.x screens up to version 3.9, which was released in 2001. It's also used in Cloanto's "Kickstart 3.X", which has been part of Amiga Forever for at least a decade (and a half? no idea) and is available separately either digitally or as an actual (EP)ROM chip since about 2014. The only Kickstart releases in the last 30 years that do not feature the Checkmark are the ones from Hyperion.

I have no idea it that constitutes enough actual use to make it a active and thus protected mark, but it certainly hasn't been abandoned "since even before CBM folded".

@cgutjahr

You are just confirming what I was writing. The checkmark has been used all over the place by anyone who wished to use it, without any need of licensing, and no one has claimed ownership or protected it as a trademark. Not even CBM. It's way to late for anyone to claim ownership over it now.


I see now that AmigaKit claims "Double tick is a trade mark, used under licence." which begs the question - who is the retarded entity that thinks they have ownership and rights to hand out "licenses"?

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who is the retarded entity that thinks they have ownership and rights to hand out "licenses"?

I'd rather ask who is the retarded entity that thinks the checkmark makes a good logo, but anyway.

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@kolla

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I see now that AmigaKit claims "Double tick is a trade mark, used under licence." which begs the question - who is the retarded entity that thinks they have ownership and rights to hand out "licenses"?

Direct link to exact quote please.

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number6 wrote: @kolla Quote: I see now that AmigaKit claims "Double tick is a trade mark, used under licence." which begs the question - who is the retarded entity that thinks they have ownership and rights to hand out "licenses"? Direct link to exact quote please. #6

https://amigakit.amiga.store/product_info.php?products_id=691

@Rose

Thanks.

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We acquired all the Amiga.org brand and trademarks which were originally approved by Commodore in 1994 and pre-dates everything which came after Commodore's demise. That in itself was well worth the purchase price.

TrevorDick

Source

Does that explain the statement and the usage?

brands & rights mentioned in press release

Trevor-AmigaWorld version of same

btw, this is difficult these days since both amiga.org and a-eon have so many dead links due to the website changes at both sites.

the links to Wayne's statements I believe

If someone wants to take the time to find a new working link for these (see above), go for it.

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@number6

I should have said post or message as amiga-news puts it in the link I provided above. Third paragraph speaks of "rumours" with a link to another amiga-news message but it's been removed. So any citation or reference it had has been removed.