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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 18-Oct-2019 11:20:35
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@OlafS25:

To make it short: I fully agree with you regarding AROS 68k-development.

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 18-Oct-2019 11:38:25
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@rzookol

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Why do You think that MorphOS has no 3rd party development?
Please check:
https://www.morphos-storage.net/?last=50

and later:
http://os4depot.net/?function=recent



Everything exactly the same on both oses. Absolutly. The same less users and the same less developers with years. The same unfixed bugs in years.

The recent example you show, only show that on morphos-storage uploaded lots of old things which wasn't on morphos-storage before, but was released years ago when things was more active. Its just seems admin of site uploaded things to have all in one place (or someone else if not him) , the same as some of us do for os4depot from time to time. Its not like tons of new developers upload new stuff to morphos-storage or to os4depot.

New intersting things happens on morphos absolutly exactly the same rare as for amigaos4 or aros or whatever else from all those amiga oses.

There is no winer, and no looser today. When any of OS loose user or developer, we all loose in whole.

Today everything the same. Just in some areas morphos devs spend more time, and on amigaos4 devs spend their time on other things. On morphos OS core developers do interesting things mostly, on aos4 its aeon now.

Everything the same. Sadly.

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 18-Oct-2019 12:10:30
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@kas1e

Good thing is that MorphOS and AmigaOS4.x is still much better than on Classic AmigaOS3.x which got only new IBrowse during this year (i don't count games as i'm not a gamer). Most important thing now is web browser as 90% thing which people do know is web browsing. System which will provide fast and capable web browser will win as user won't move to Windows to do simple things as chatting on Facebook or make a bank transfers. 2nd problem is the speed of machines, everything lower than 1.42 GHz is to slow to handle any of new sites. Efika, Sams are too slow, Pegasos 2 is too slow, AmigasOne G3/G4 are too slow. The less things you can do on the computer the more users will left. In PPC world only X5000/X1000/Powerbooks/PmacG5 and Macminis G4 are useful. Other machines are just the garbage.

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 18-Oct-2019 12:48:39
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@rzookol

if you want to use it for serious work yes then "classic" is too slow (even the vampire). But I have modern hardware with modern OS for serious work, why on earth should I try to do the same on a exotic OS running on exotic hardware less productive? And for fun it is not important if I can do all. What most people were and are interested are exclusive games, nothing else

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 18-Oct-2019 13:48:53
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@OlafS25

I'm not talking about serious work, just about doing simple things: checking the mails, buying on ebay, trolling on aw.net, even watching porn :). If i can do this on the machine were closing gadget is on the left, i can go into directory without using cd in the shell, background windows can have focus, changing the size of shell window will relayout content inside correctly and i have topmenu under RMB it's all i need. There are still users which would use MorphOS/AmigaOS4.x daily as a main machine, especially with updated web browser. It's not as big ecosystem as Classic users but having not less than 1000 users is ok for devs to spend the time for os development and both NG systems have it.

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 18-Oct-2019 14:28:52
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@terminills

Hope to be able to purchase FW as soon as possible :) I think, the sales' figure will provide the actual trend of the combined NG scene and the people who actually use their compatible computers as alternative systems. It will be a good example if a commercial office program can be launched during the years of 2020 and beyond, or if it's pointless and devs should head back to 68k games if they intend to do at least some pocket money.

@Trixie

Alright, good to know. Just mentioned Hyperior 'cause, LO was displayed on their booth. This is a major piece of software and I am certain it's going to be a blast. But it has taken already so many years to the point that sometimes I lose faith as to whether it's going to see the light of the day or not :( Well, at least now people know that they should bug Trevor instead :P

@kas1e

Can't agree more with your thoughts.

@OlafS25

Come on, was expecting something different from you :) They are not "exotic". Exotic OS could be reactOS or even Haiku but the prefix "NG" is usually followed by "Amiga". And since we are all amigans here, with a similar starting point in our computer history, I suppose you could understand why any of us registered users here, would much more prefer to use an OS that features same files/directory structure, use same libs/commands/scripts and/or major commercial software released along with a combination of newer native software.

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 18-Oct-2019 15:44:05
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@terminills

I would buy an updated Final Writer, I bought it way back when and enjoyed using it. I don't expect a discounted upgrade price since I bought it so long ago. Good luck getting it released and charge me full price for it.

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 18-Oct-2019 19:13:25
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@DiscreetFX

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 18-Oct-2019 23:52:07
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@terminills

Icewm.

Is that running on antiX?

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 19-Oct-2019 0:19:51
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@terminills

Looks the way I remember it.

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 31-Oct-2019 6:52:27
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@vision
seriously? You called the police for an Amiga forum fight : )
Ok.. i will now also use the easiness of the web to tell them about your racistic statements..

Moron..

It's so easy to waste german tax money lately for you guys..

I also assume you are the troll from Facebook so i will inform them to check your computers and emails to find out if you are the guy.. .. due to using a fake account on Facebook its not only insulting but marked as scam. So the pressure to react may just be enough.

This will be pain in the ass...

..you must have time for playing games : )

bad timing for you.. due to the other case.. really bad timing as i have suspected that it must have been an Amiga guy hating me.

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 31-Oct-2019 13:16:46
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@rzookol

>Most important thing now is web browser as 90% thing which people do know is web browsing. System which will provide fast and capable web browser will win as user won't move to Windows to do simple things as chatting on Facebook or make a bank transfers. 2nd problem is the speed of machines, everything lower than 1.42 GHz is to slow to handle any of new sites.

I think we need rpi4 with 4GB RAM inside "Checkmate 1500+" -kind of case with a PPC board and some SiameseSystem/RabbitHole system to see the web browser window on AmigaOS/MorphOS side.

From intel, I know 4*1,3Ghz+2GB RAM is not enough for single tab browsing.
(+the system becomes too slow to do anything sane in multitasking... oh those times, when I could set task priorities and virtual memory use per process/task on my AOS3 (executive+gigamem) system, system was fast to use, no matter what the CPU load was.)


+ As kas1e previously pointed out, it's a lot of work to try to maintain modern browser for big-endian system (when all sources target little-endian).

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 15-Feb-2021 21:38:22
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Quote:

nikosidis wrote:
@1Mouse

Dream on. Will never happen. At least in MorphOS team things are happening. For AROS it stalled long time ago.

I always supported AROS but the project is not working. MorphOS seams like the brightest future for AMD64. Not that we seen much of it yet.


How's that x86 MorphOS going? The one dev seems to have found a new project restoring an old Skoda

I wish it was happening but I don't see you saying anything positive about AROS where things ARE happening

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Posted on 16-Feb-2021 11:29:05
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@Methanoid

What is so important with 64-bit. You can still run 32-bit on your 64-bit computer.

Software is the real problem for all NG systems. Only MorphOS have a good web-browser now and the most useful software.

Support AROS 32-bit or other NG alternatives with good software and enjoy. Stop trying what is hopeless and useless.

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 17-Feb-2021 13:31:07
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@nikosidis

would you STFU about stuff you don't understand? seriously almost no AROS developer can stand you because you don't have a clue wtf you're spewing. Take your useless little distro be happy with it and stop degrading the excessive amount of work that's happening on AROS.

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 17-Feb-2021 14:37:15
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@Methanoid
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The one dev seems to have found a new project restoring an old Skoda

Sorry, it's official. All the development on MorphOS stopped, until someone else in another country finishes welding up my Skoda.

(Not to mention it isn't me, who works on MorphOS x86, but nevermind that part.)

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 17-Feb-2021 14:38:23
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@KimmoK

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I think we need rpi4 with 4GB RAM inside "Checkmate 1500+" -kind of case with a PPC board and some SiameseSystem/RabbitHole system to see the web browser window on AmigaOS/MorphOS side.


Just use the damn Pi, then.

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As kas1e previously pointed out, it's a lot of work to try to maintain modern browser for big-endian system


Endianess has nothing to do with this.

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Posted on 17-Feb-2021 16:20:59
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@jacadcaps

I think the show stoper number one for me, is just downloading some and be able to run configure, or this build system, and do it natively on AmigaOS, being able compile and change something and test it rapidly, is the key to being able to work efficiently, and actually getting things done. I know some people have cool cross compiler setups, and are able to transferee the executable quickly. But I find tedious to make Linux belive its AmigaOS. The other issue I have pure number of dependency’s, and quality of the dependencies, or fact that it might not be up to date. And then everything changing so rapidly, compatibility between versions etc. and also the size of project like that, getting the overview, how things is connected. UML profiling tools work on C++, fail on C.

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Posted on 18-Feb-2021 22:49:14
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@Chain-Q

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Sorry, it's official. All the development on MorphOS stopped, until someone else in another country finishes welding up my Skoda.


Be careful with irony, you don't know if there are some people who take it for real.

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Posted on 19-Feb-2021 12:09:45
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@terminills

He can express views even if you do not agree to it. Becoming personal strikes back at the person spreading that on public forums...

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