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kolla 
Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 13-Jan-2020 19:21:44
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SVG icons? That’s so Dave Haynie 20 years ago :)

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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 13-Jan-2020 19:30:11
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Max transfer to chip ram not changed since Amiga 3000 release almost thirty years ago.
It is 6.9 MB/s as it was in 1990. It is not enough even for 640x480 256 colors 25 fps.
Too slow even for a hobby.
Today original graphics should be in museum.

AROS x86 is not binary compatible with old 68k Amiga software so it should have memory protection, unix compatybility, commercial quality drivers and should be good enough to justify resignation from Windows.

Original graphics is too slow, AROS x86 is worthless crap worse than uae.
So what left? Amiga NG. Amiga NG is future.


There's still people so out of touch with reality? If anyone want to see how the logic falls so behind, one has only to look to his closing remarks...

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Amiga NG is future.

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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 13-Jan-2020 20:15:30
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Personally I am not interested in "lower end 68k systems", by which you probably mean classic Amigas.


thats what i have here, so i care for them, they are still good test cases, because what works well on them it will still work better on vamp. i dont see why one needs to buy an accel and install a new system, just to keep the level of performance he may feel like he had before.

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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 13-Jan-2020 20:57:59
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Back to your original question ...
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?


Over the years, my definition of "Amiga" has become very broad and inclusive. We have many choices available. IMHO, they are all good choices.

Some of us remember our "Amiga" experience as a time when we were creative and had fun.

I still have that experience. I won't let it die with the setting sun.

Some of us like to tinker with old computers and restore or expand our ancient Commodore Amiga systems. Some like to run amiga software under emulation. Some like different hardware or alternative operating systems.

AROS, MorphOS, AmigaOS3, AmigaOS4. IMHO, they are all good choices.

Enjoy ... be creative and have fun.

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(Dreaming of a future day when I will run amiga software on a tablet.)

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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 13-Jan-2020 21:48:51
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Future.......... Non.

Enjoy what you have got.

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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 13-Jan-2020 23:09:48
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A similar system will need also to be used for other system related drawing (tools, icons, etc.) and in a way might look similar to Quickdraw on the old Mac OS, however a metaformat is needed above certain resolution for better results; wonder if any of the current GUI systems can be expanded...

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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 13-Jan-2020 23:16:06
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

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Personally I am not interested in "lower end 68k systems", by which you probably mean classic Amigas.


thats what i have here, so i care for them, they are still good test cases, because what works well on them it will still work better on vamp. i dont see why one needs to buy an accel and install a new system, just to keep the level of performance he may feel like he had before.


If we talk about the present, I care only about classic Amiga. The rest is bad taste junk put together by a parade of clowns, tricksters and con artists who somehow managed to get hard working but ingenuous developers to help them.

But if we talk about progress, I say one shouldn't care about making things so that they can still be run on those "lower end 68k systems":

again, think about the X86 world: you can still run programs from 1981 because the architecture is the same, it just got faster and faster. Yet, that doesn't mean that when Microsoft develops the next version of Windows, they think "Hey let's make sure this can run on a IBM/AT 286.




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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 13-Jan-2020 23:23:48
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

i am considering my a4000/060/ppc a lower end system in this respect. thats, at least, what ill be left with, when v600 goes to michal;)

yeah, i know, we need to put a limit somewhere. but we cant be entirely sure, how vamp/apollo adventure will proceed, as we might not be aware where ppc route leads to.

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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 14-Jan-2020 6:07:58
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 14-Jan-2020 6:31:40
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SVG icons? That’s so Dave Haynie 20 years ago :)


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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 14-Jan-2020 10:12:18
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@wawa


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i think scalable svg icons could actually be an interesting experiment. but i fear, the overhead rendering those might be too high on lower end 68k systems. we are trying to cut down the resource demands right now, not introduce further load.


They don't necesserarily need to be rendered at 'display time'.

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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 14-Jan-2020 10:24:50
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i think scalable svg icons could actually be an interesting experiment. but i fear, the overhead rendering those might be too high on lower end 68k systems. we are trying to cut down the resource demands right now, not introduce further load.


They don't necesserarily need to be rendered at 'display time'.


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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 14-Jan-2020 16:24:53
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@Rose

Commodore bankrupt because for the price of Amiga 1200 customer can buy 386SX with graphics faster than Amiga 4000.
After almost thirty years classic graphics is still slower than graphics on cheap 386 SX from Windows 3.1 era.
Classic graphics is as ancient as punching cards.
Buy faster graphics at least on Win 3.1 level.




No shit Sherlock, guess why it's called RETRO platform. Still, haves several times more active users than NG.

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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 14-Jan-2020 18:37:50
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@Rose

From developer POV it is not important how many users has classic.
What is important is that classic graphics is slower than graphics on cheap 386 SX from Windows 3.1 era.
It is too slow and outdated to do anything on that crap.
Buy faster graphics at least on Win 3.1 level.

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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 14-Jan-2020 19:30:23
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da hell? Of course, it matters how many users classic has. Hell from a developers' perspective anything beyond classic is a waste of time due to lack of users.

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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 14-Jan-2020 19:43:34
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@ppcamiga1

crap is one of your favorite words, isn´t it?

developers develop software for users. And there is a multitude number of users on "classic"

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Rose 
Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 14-Jan-2020 22:29:08
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@ppcamiga1

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@Rose

From developer POV it is not important how many users has classic.
What is important is that classic graphics is slower than graphics on cheap 386 SX from Windows 3.1 era.
It is too slow and outdated to do anything on that crap.
Buy faster graphics at least on Win 3.1 level.


And why then there is more active developers on Classic than NG?

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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 15-Jan-2020 1:57:56
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@ppcamiga1

" classic graphics is slower than graphics on cheap 386 SX from Windows 3.1 era"

You're wrong on this one mate.

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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 15-Jan-2020 8:55:31
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform?
Posted on 15-Jan-2020 9:46:59
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There is only one thing that is crap here and you know who

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