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Hammer 
Re: It's time to join the forces... part...?
Posted on 8-Jul-2021 11:27:11
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@OlafS25

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calling other people "donkeys" is not really nice

the problem with many "donkeys" is that they know what is possible and what is not possible

we have four camps now, 68k (using old and new 68k based hardware or emulation), AmigaOS, AROS, MorphOS

all platforms are different already and use different components

For example RTG every platform uses different implementations, the same for USB and so on

So all NG platforms (developers) have to agree on one standard in many cases giving up the own implementation.

Theoretically they would only do that for making more money than staying on its own. I do not see them agreeing on that. Also all camps would need to agree on one direction. I do not see that either. All have different ideas.

Making a "join forces" thread every year might be fun but does not change anything

It's a chaotic mess that mirrored the pre-DirectX era e.g. I attempted to run Diablo Amiga and I later found out it needs Vampire but it's labeled Architecture: m68k-amigaos. f**k that.



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Re: It's time to join the forces... part...?
Posted on 11-Jul-2021 21:31:27
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@Hammer

Diablo Amiga is supposed to gracefully degrade when it detects it's running on an '060 or fast '040. It doesn't require a Vampire unless you want full frame rate.

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Hammer 
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Posted on 12-Jul-2021 8:04:26
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I downloaded Diablo Amiga from http://aminet.net/package/game/actio/DevilutionX

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@Hammer

That's the version I was referring to. It is supposed to work on an '040+ though there are optimizations to take advantage of the '080 if present.

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In a way I kinda like how Amiga community has explored nearly every option for the OS even if the Ip holders didn’t agree, the big problem is none of them have really had huge resources and split community doesn’t help either.

I doubt we will ever rejoin up all behind one project, it is kinda shame as I look at the talent each platform has and think if they did all work together on one Os and developed apps for that one product we be in a much better situation than we are in.

Never mind I look forward to reading “it’s time to join forces…part billion”

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Re: It's time to join the forces... part...?
Posted on 14-Jul-2021 2:27:28
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@amigang

It’s long past due for the Amiga community to come together and heal. Time to swallow some pride and put to rest the differences that have splintered the community into the 3 camps. I think that making amends falls on the shoulders of the influencers to rally everyone. The Amiga platform can still be diverse with AOS (3.x and 4.x), MOS and AROS continuing to innovate and delivering what their end-users expect. However, the Amiga community needs to collaborate for the betterment and survival of the platform so it may live on for many years to come. It can be done and Amiga could show the world that computing is still fun!

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It’s long past due for the Amiga community to come together and heal

That's not really possible. Take a look at this poll:

What you think is actually blocking the Amiga Take off?

There's no consensus.

What's probably going to happen is someone is going to win in court, and someone is going to lose. Whoever wins is going to set the direction, and some people will like it, and some people won't.

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Hammer 
Re: It's time to join the forces... part...?
Posted on 14-Jul-2021 5:54:41
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@Samurai_Crow

It needs RTG for hardcoded 640x480 8 bits color display mode. It's not like other SDL ported games from NovaCoder.

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Posted on 14-Jul-2021 8:28:49
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@Hammer

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It needs RTG for hardcoded 640x480 8 bits color display mode.


What does that have to do with "needs Vampire"?

AGA can to 640x480-8bit "RTG" using the Native P96 driver, have you tried that?

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Posted on 14-Jul-2021 16:26:16
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@bison

Amiga, in my opinion, needs modern software/apps more than it needs to run on another platform. If Amigans aren't using the OS due to a lack of apps, then few others will either. Maybe joining the SteamPowered network may help.

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bison 
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Amiga, in my opinion, needs modern software/apps more than it needs to run on another platform.

It needs both. PPC is no longer competitive on the desktop, so the hardware price of entry is really high.

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It needs both. PPC is no longer competitive on the desktop, so the hardware price of entry is really high.


ARM is not competitive on the desktop but the price of entry is really low. ARM hardware is cheap because of mass production from selling into the embedded market. A-Eon has not ignored the embedded market though. They use old embedded market PPC CPUs for the desktop market. Only Amiga makes it possible.

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ARM is not competitive on the desktop but the price of entry is really low.

True, that. I think ARM would be a great way to go, since it could be used now in entry level systems, and will probably be more competitive on the desktop in the future.

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Posted on 16-Jul-2021 4:54:05
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@kolla

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@Hammer

Quote:

Hammer wrote:

It needs RTG for hardcoded 640x480 8 bits color display mode.


What does that have to do with "needs Vampire"?

AGA can to 640x480-8bit "RTG" using the Native P96 driver, have you tried that?

I have tried the following
1. native P96 driver with
https://aminet.net/package/driver/video/Picasso96
https://aminet.net/package/driver/moni/Native
P96 version 2.0. I found P96 version 2.1 somewhere on the internet.

Native P96 driver is not a real P96 driver since it doesn't present a valid RTG Display ID for 640x480 8 bits.

I haven't tried P96 version 2.3 from AmigaOS 3.9/Amithlon CD.

2. CGX 4.4 install with CGX AGA native driver. Currently installed and doesn't work. https://aminet.net/package/driver/video/CGX-AGA

FYI, NovaCoder has enough SDL functions ported for AGA. Extra work would be needed to merge NovaCoder's SDL AGA work with hardcoded RTG SDL ports.



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Posted on 16-Jul-2021 13:53:53
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@Hammer

Maybe you need the latest from Individual computers,
P96 V3.1.0 released

https://forum.icomp.de/index.php?thread/1970-p96-v3-1-0-released/

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