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eliyahu 
Re: Why is OS4 not in the hands of A-EON?
Posted on 25-Oct-2021 16:03:26
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Does ARIX actually exist in a usable, installable state as a complete operating system? Is it still being actively developed?

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Posted on 25-Oct-2021 16:46:47
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@ppcamiga1

I still do not understand. If you cut off all amiga related what exactly is the connection to amigathen. Why should amiga interest people use it.? Why should anyone useit?

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Rose 
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@OlafS25

That's why he ended his ramble with "Nobody need this."

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OlafS25 
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Posted on 25-Oct-2021 17:16:21
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@Rose

his idea is to have a "amiga-like" desktop on top of linux and everything amiga-related below makes no sense and nobody needs it... I say the opposite if you have nothing amiga-related left why should anyone use it? It is just another linux-desktop. I do not think it would be very successful. Michals idea at least makes sense in my view and sounds interesting. I cannot say how successful it might be. But cutting off any heritage is not really persuading me.

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Rose 
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@OlafS25

I agree that his ramblings make zero sense. It's just funny that he basically says that nobody wants the shit he's rambling about.

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OneTimer1 
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Posted on 25-Oct-2021 17:26:34
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Quote:

Birbo wrote:

My questions have not really been answered


Your questions:

- Why is OS4 not in the hands of A-EON?
- Since a lot of development for OS4 is done by A-EON: why is OS4 not completely in the hands of A-EON?
- And if the reason is a certain amount of money: How much is needed to transfer OS4 from Hyperion to A-EON?

They have been answered (the where precise and stayed close to the topic):

- Because its owned by Hyperion
- My guess is Hyperion wants to much for it. But also there maybe be legal reasons ...

But you have only answered with some rhetorical questions, like if you haven't accepted the answers.

It's a pity that most people start shifting the threads to their favourite topic, the usual suspects will post their babble about CPUs, code efficiency and all those other things that are not related to the 'Ownership of AOS4' .

But be happy you got your answers.

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OneTimer1 
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Posted on 25-Oct-2021 17:33:51
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ppcamiga1 wrote:

ARIX is just AROS after little facelifting. It is not worth use.


Your counter argument is false and shows a deep misunderstanding of things, if you want to fight ARIX you should answer: 'It is far from being usable'

What you asked for was less than AROS hosted (at least usable) but not much more than AmiWM (also usable).

I don't know if ARIX will ever surface in a stable and usable way like AROS x86, but it would be the best way into an AmigaOID future.

Last edited by OneTimer1 on 25-Oct-2021 at 05:35 PM.

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OlafS25 
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@OneTimer1

As i understand it (Michal can correct me) Arix is still in early state. It is a concept, a idea. For me atl east it sounds interesting. We will see how it will be.

Regarding hosted I think it would have been best to concentrate on it to support as much of the host system as possible, For example on Win hosted if it would have supported both network and sound (and perhaps 3D and USB) it would have been a accellent system. People could have simply used it by copying the distribution without needing to install a Virtual solution. It is how it is. Nothing to change about it.

I personal see more chances right now in 68k than in X86/X64 or ARM right now but that is my personal view

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ppcamiga1 
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Posted on 25-Oct-2021 19:04:14
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@OneTimer1

Future Amiga NG should be just Amiga graphics and gui on top of unix.
No incompatible exec, dos etc.
Future Amiga NG should be fast and modern.
Not worse uae like AROS or ARIX on x86.

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bison 
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Posted on 25-Oct-2021 21:06:42
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@OlafS25

Quote:
It is just another linux-desktop.

I'm quite sure he's advocating Intuition on Linux, not just an Amiga-like window manager.

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deadwood 
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Posted on 26-Oct-2021 5:37:53
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@bison

Quote:

bison wrote:
@OlafS25

Quote:
It is just another linux-desktop.

I'm quite sure he's advocating Intuition on Linux, not just an Amiga-like window manager.


No problem, here you go: https://axrt.org/index.php?tab=gallery

This is "from developer pov Amiga gui and graphics on top of unix."

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ppcamiga1 
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Posted on 26-Oct-2021 6:36:58
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@bison

Exactly.
Intuition on Linux, not just an Amiga-like window manager.
Just Amiga gui and graphics on unix.
Without exec, dos, devices etc.
Open source, hardware agnostic, working always and on any hardware.

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Fl@sh 
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Posted on 26-Oct-2021 7:02:38
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@all

Maybe we need to redefine the word "AMIGA".
What's Amiga? What's AmigaOS?

IMHO Amiga != Linux != Windows

..so anything "on top" of both these is no more Amiga, due HUGE differences under the wood.

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paolone 
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Posted on 26-Oct-2021 7:47:04
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@OlafS25

You don't see the bigger picture.

Active amigans used to be millions in the end of the 80s, now you can barely count dozens of them with the fingers of a single hand.

In the meantime, Linux users are thousands, millions today.

What does this mean? That would be simplier and would make more sense bring the good of Amiga to Linux (and I mean concepts like assings, dynamic libraries, scripting, maybe a 68k compatibility layer and some UI elements), or vice-versa?

World has changed. Evolve or starve.

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paolone 
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Posted on 26-Oct-2021 7:56:15
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Hypex wrote:
@TRIPOS


Quote:
Maybe AeonKit can recreate on their own what AROS and MorphOS did two decades ago? Maybe not?


They are! They already wrote 24 commands from scratch Why are they rewriting AROS again? They can write 24 commands from scratch someone already wrote twice before, but they can't write a web browser! Talk about mixing your priorties up! This is the problem with OS4 development, it's all about reinventing the wheel and not inventing anything new.


"Endlessly loosing time reinventing the wheel just to forge their names onto it" should be the punishment Dante might have added to his Inferno, in the round of Amigans.

AROS code is free to use, is in working state and can be reused in any project with a far less viral license than GPL. But no matter the good you like to do, there's always some stupid ego-centric amigan thinking it's still 1985 and his "better solution" to the problem of listing a directory on the screen will save the world.

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Birbo 
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Posted on 26-Oct-2021 14:05:50
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@OneTimer1

You are right.

I thought that there might be some way that AmigaOS 4 could come to A-EON - if we knew, what Ben wants for it.

Well, that doesn't seem to be the case.

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Rose 
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Posted on 26-Oct-2021 15:16:42
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@paolone

Quote:
What does this mean? That would be simplier and would make more sense bring the good of Amiga to Linux (and I mean concepts like assings, dynamic libraries, scripting, maybe a 68k compatibility layer and some UI elements), or vice-versa?


In true Amiga tradition in 10 years you would have 4 different distros which are incompatible with each other. Good changes that at least 3 of em would be incompatible with Linux and Amiga too :)

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OneTimer1 
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Posted on 26-Oct-2021 19:07:33
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Quote:

Fl@sh wrote:


Maybe we need to redefine the word "AMIGA".
What's Amiga? What's AmigaOS?


- The Amiga is a family of personal computers introduced by Commodore in 1985
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga)

- AmigaOS is a single-user multitasking operating system created for the Amiga personal computer.

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The Amiga brand is (was?) owned by Amiga Inc. and it is in the power of the owner to use is for a computer, a tablet, a mobile phone or for something complete different.

The AmigaOS brand is (was?) owned by Hyperion, Amiga Inc. and might have been transferred partially to Cloanto. There might be two brand names with two different owners: AmigaOS3 and AmigaOS4.

There are (or where) other brand names like AmigaOne, AmigaDE or AmigaAnywhere that might be owned by others or might affected by restriction of the brand name Amiga.

AmigaClassic was a term introduced to alienate the Amiga personal computer from one of the other brand names.

Due to all the legal troubles about the brand name it will be hard toe reintroduce a new computer with that name.

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OneTimer1 
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Posted on 26-Oct-2021 19:17:00
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Quote:

Birbo wrote:

I thought that there might be some way that AmigaOS 4 could come to A-EON - if we knew, what Ben wants for it.


It doesn't matter if we knew it, I'm sure Trevor knows it and he decided not to pay the price.

But maybe all this rumours about A-Eon making their own OS could bring down the price.

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kamelito 
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Posted on 26-Oct-2021 19:29:50
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@deadwood

You mean any C based Amiga project can be compiled and run unmodified under Linux?

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