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gryfon 
Re: Why is OS4 not in the hands of A-EON?
Posted on 27-Dec-2021 13:09:22
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@OneTimer1

Nah - it works so well on compatible hardware, clearly would be a intensely speedy solution should someone pick up the tab. Chris PiMiga Edwards has done 2 Amithlon build videos in the last couple of months alone and you can see the promise in the original solution today.

Amithlon was a paid-the-developers effort from Haage & Partner. There’s no one queuing up to pay to modernise it, particularly with the Amiga ownership situation as it is. Just a few fans clipping away at improving the kernel bit by bit.

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Rose 
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Posted on 27-Dec-2021 13:11:00
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@OneTimer1

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But Amithlon would have been a great future and be very very mature by now, ...



Tell us, why did no one ever try to revive this idea?

There where enough developers around who could have done it, should be simple.

There is only one possible answer, the idea might not have been so good as people (fans & users) always claimed it.


If you had actually done any research on subject you would know that the reason was same than always... Legal problems between companies.

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OneTimer1 
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Posted on 27-Dec-2021 21:15:55
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@Rose

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Rose wrote:

If you had actually done any research on subject you would know that the reason was same than always... Legal problems between companies.


This was the reason for the original company and developers but not for people free from bounds by old contracts, free from NDAs..

So I'm asking again:

Why did no one ever try to revive this idea?

There where enough developers around who could have done it, should be simple.

Last edited by OneTimer1 on 27-Dec-2021 at 09:16 PM.

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OneTimer1 
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Posted on 27-Dec-2021 21:21:23
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Amithlon was a paid-the-developers effort from Haage & Partner. There’s no one queuing up to pay to modernise it, particularly with the Amiga ownership situation ...


I'm not asking about the modernisation of the original Amithlon, I was writing about doing it again. You don't need the original 68k source, AROS 68k is compatible enough and portable, you don't need the brand name, everything is available.

Maybe there is not enough money behind this Idia.

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Rose 
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@OneTimer1

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Why did no one ever try to revive this idea?


Because UAE got so good that there is no reason to.

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OlafS25 
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Posted on 28-Dec-2021 12:57:30
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@Rose

Amithlon like concept is still potentially faster but you loose the chipset and all related applications/games/demos

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Rose 
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@OlafS25

On those rare cases where that difference would matter one should be using something else than Amiga anyway.

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Lou 
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Posted on 28-Dec-2021 22:39:45
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Does everyone just forget the DRACO?

No custom chips and it ran Amiga OS...

https://amitopia.com/draco-the-amiga-clone/

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Hypex 
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Posted on 29-Dec-2021 4:50:36
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@OneTimer1

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Why did no one ever try to revive this idea?


Supposedly legal problems. It's ridiculous really. H&P pretty much stole it away from the author and bound him up in a legal mess so he had no leg to stand on. H&P haven't done anything Amiga for years. I've discussed this idea with my peers since and the reply was that who ever made another would get sued for it. It sounds ridiculous. Do H&P own a patent for an idea they didn't create?

I think AROS would be good for a base for this. Mind you the idea uses Linux for drivers and modern hardware support. But at the core is an AmigaOS emulator with native code hooks.

There was even a Mac version in the works. Which would have been useful with no endian problems. But since they went Intel that point is moot.

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Hypex 
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@Rose

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If you had actually done any research on subject you would know that the reason was same than always... Legal problems between companies.


Is this really a show stopper? For years AROS have been producing an Amiga like OS. But I don't see any evidence Cloanto have gone after them for copying the AmigaOS idea.

So where do these companies come into it? I mean if we are taking an idea and making a variant of that idea what does it have to do with any companies. When did H&P, to cite one company, get exclusive right over the native Amithlon binary format?

AROS 68k loads Amiga executables. Are Cloanto upset? Are they going after AROS for violating some rights they somehow own now because it loads and executes 68k hunks?

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@OlafS25

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Amithlon like concept is still potentially faster but you loose the chipset and all related applications/games/demos


This is exactly the same with AmigaOS4 and MorphOS. And it hasn't been a major problem there. In fact the last upgrades to Amigas were PC sound cards and graphic cards that were moving away from the chipset. An upgraded Amiga didn't have much Amiga left by the end of it. To still need the chipset in the modern age is still a bit retro.

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BigD 
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@Thread

I just caught up with this thread with the System 54 news from October! It's rather a sad state of affairs isn't it? Why the hell didn't Ben Hermans just sell up and bow out gracefully?

Thank God for THEA500 Mini launch taking a bit of heat off all of this!

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bison 
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@BigD

He's probably asking many times over what anyone is willing or able to pay.

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agami 
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Posted on 17-May-2022 5:23:02
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@BigD



You used the name Ben Hermans and the adverb Gracefully in the same sentence.

Also what @bison said:
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He's probably asking many times over what anyone is willing or able to pay.

Replace probably with definitely.

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(...) Ben Hermans (...) gracefully


Friend BigD,

in no known universe in this complex, mysterious cosmic tapestry of ours,
the words "Ben Hermans" and "Gracefully" ever existed in the same sentence.

Congratulations,
you just forever disrupted space-time.











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Posted on 18-May-2022 7:10:01
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@OneTimer1

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Why did no one ever try to revive this idea?


Be careful what you wish for... ;)

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